FIPG, really?? (FIPG vs. Everything else)

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ToyotaDon said:
FIPG stands for Form In Place Gasket, and it works well. Another name in Toyota literature is Seal Packing, and the manufacturer is Three Bond. There are actually 4 common types, with some variances in availability.

The most common is black in color, and is used for sealing against oil (oil pans, timing covers, etc.) Its counterpart is gray in color, and until recently, was usually only found on factory assembled engines. With the advent of our Subaru engine in the FR-S, we've had to find a source for it, since these engines won't seal with the commonly available black FIPG.

There is another black FIPG, but this one is supposed to work with Long Life & Super Long Life Coolant. A lot of techs I know don't differentiate between the two, but use the one intended for oil on everything. Knowing the difference, there are certain portions of some timing covers, and few of our water pumps, that require this seal packing.

The fourth type should be familiar to MUD users as the orange one. It is designed to be used with transmission fluid & gear oil, so manual transmissions, transfer cases, & differentials are all places you will find this FIPG.

I could take the time & add part numbers to this if anyone is interested.
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Hey man, I’m a new Toyota buyer and got it used, I need to replace the bypass water pipe (2nd gen and is known to leak) and I got the seal packing 1281 FIPG, so I could flush everything and clean tranny filter, anyway, I was wondering if this stuff would also work that bypass pipe, you seem to know and I’d appreciate your input as the guy at the dealership said I’d need a different FIPG for it and the engine valve gasket, is this true? Or is it just listed like that in the computer so they can make more money, I owe many thanks to your knowledge
 
fusioncrane855 said:
Hey man, I’m a new Toyota buyer and got it used, I need to replace the bypass water pipe (2nd gen and is known to leak) and I got the seal packing 1281 FIPG, so I could flush everything and clean tranny filter, anyway, I was wondering if this stuff would also work that bypass pipe, you seem to know and I’d appreciate your input as the guy at the dealership said I’d need a different FIPG for it and the engine valve gasket, is this true? Or is it just listed like that in the computer so they can make more money, I owe many thanks to your knowledge
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If you are trying to use the FIPG that is intended for oil on places where coolant goes, you may run into issues. You didn't say which year or model you are working on, but it may be that there are actually gaskets or o-rings for those spots. You can actually look up parts yourself on parts.toyota.com.
 
ToyotaDon said:
If you are trying to use the FIPG that is intended for oil on places where coolant goes, you may run into issues. You didn't say which year or model you are working on, but it may be that there are actually gaskets or o-rings for those spots. You can actually look up parts yourself on parts.toyota.com.
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It’s meant for the transmission but think it’ll work for coolant too?
 
fusioncrane855 said:
It’s meant for the transmission but think it’ll work for coolant too?
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Please reread my post that you quoted first. It talks about there being three different products for three different uses.
 
I've read this elsewhere.. based on outsourcing manufacturing of the sealants?

Toyota FIPG 103 - is actually Three Bond 1207B RTV silicone.
Toyota FIPG 102 - is actually Permatex Ultra-Grey RTV silicone
Toyota Seal-Packing FIPG - is actually Loctite # 5699 RTV silicone
 
Re-installing my front and rear diffs soon and I want to make sure I'm using an appropriate sealant on both the diffs and the locker actuators. FSM says 08826−00090 for the actuators, no spec for the diffs.

In searching I've seen people using all sorts of stuff, with Toyota and Permatex "Right Stuff" most frequently. No mention of which "Right Stuff", black or gray? I'll spring for a tube of Toyota FIPG 103 ($17) if it has the best chance of getting me another 260k with no leaks. I'm not using the gaskets.

Edit: Looks like 103 is for engines and 00295-01281 is for diffs, transmissions, etc?
 
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I was already placing an order, and considering the similar cost of the Permatex stuff, I went ahead and grabbed a tube of 00295-01281 ($17) and two tubes of 103 ($11 each) to have on hand for when I pull and reseal my drivetrain. How much of this stuff will I use re-installing the diffs? Which one should I use? @Onur? :)
 
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ToyotaDon said:
FIPG stands for Form In Place Gasket, and it works well. Another name in Toyota literature is Seal Packing, and the manufacturer is Three Bond. There are actually 4 common types, with some variances in availability.

The most common is black in color, and is used for sealing against oil (oil pans, timing covers, etc.) Its counterpart is gray in color, and until recently, was usually only found on factory assembled engines. With the advent of our Subaru engine in the FR-S, we've had to find a source for it, since these engines won't seal with the commonly available black FIPG.

There is another black FIPG, but this one is supposed to work with Long Life & Super Long Life Coolant. A lot of techs I know don't differentiate between the two, but use the one intended for oil on everything. Knowing the difference, there are certain portions of some timing covers, and few of our water pumps, that require this seal packing.

The fourth type should be familiar to MUD users as the orange one. It is designed to be used with transmission fluid & gear oil, so manual transmissions, transfer cases, & differentials are all places you will find this FIPG.

I could take the time & add part numbers to this if anyone is interested.
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Yes, could you tell me part number of the one for super long life coolant? Also, would an 04 take SLLC?
 
Apologies for bringing up an old thread but I wonder if anybody out there (as a quick, temporary solution) ever tried to apply FIPG to the outside seam of a rear main seal to stop the drip, instead of removing it entirely and replacing the gasket? For the purposes of a quick stop leak would it work?
 
cog97 said:
Apologies for bringing up an old thread but I wonder if anybody out there (as a quick, temporary solution) ever tried to apply FIPG to the outside seam of a rear main seal to stop the drip, instead of removing it entirely and replacing the gasket? For the purposes of a quick stop leak would it work?
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Doubtful but must admit I have never tried it.
 
cog97 said:
Apologies for bringing up an old thread but I wonder if anybody out there (as a quick, temporary solution) ever tried to apply FIPG to the outside seam of a rear main seal to stop the drip, instead of removing it entirely and replacing the gasket? For the purposes of a quick stop leak would it work?
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Not if The leak is coming from the area between the crank and the seal.
 
WarDamnEagle said:
Doubtful but must admit I have never tried it.
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To be close enough to the rear main seal to smear on FIPG would mean that you're close enough to change it.

Changing the rear main seal takes a few minutes and is simple........once the transmission is out of the way.
 
cog97 said:
For the purposes of a quick stop leak would it work?
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maybe for a very short while but as mentioned above if you can smear on the fipg you can do it right and replace the seal. if your asking can you put some fipg on the outside of the seal and install a new one, yes you can but its doubtful that it would do anything.

when your reinatalling the flex plate consult the rm as some of the cranks had through holes and needed to have either fipg or loc tite on the bolts to seal them and prevent oil leaking from the bolts in the crank for the flex plate
 
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