Last I heard they were still available.
Engine Blew on 96' GG80 need help for California Compliant LS Swap
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Last I heard they were still available.
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I'm getting different stories about LS swaps. This is why I am going to go to the BAR referee and attempt to build a rep with him or her. It seems that every referee (as I mentioned in a previous post) has their own set of rules. According to BAR rules it can be done, but it also seems that each referee interprets them differently. I do know one thing for sure, that this is going to be an uphill battle at best.
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It is my plan to build a good report with with a BAR rep before and during the process. I also know that if I can go through the arduous process of getting my 80 a CARB compliant swap then the my 80's value is going to go up enough to cover the cost of the project, likely. It is going to take me a year to be able to tackle the job financially so I have that time to jump through the bureaucratic hoops to potentially get this job done correctly.
I was told this in October of last year. Can't say I recall the specifics aside from no E-RODs of any kind in any CA 80 going forward--but it was something about a reinterpretation of the weight class allowance. They changed their minds and decided the 80 was too light (or too heavy) for that swap to be legal. Already-swapped rigs were grandfathered, and I believe the last one was done by TLC--so if you gotta have one, haul out your checkbook. My concern with the referee would be that even if he okays it, it's not legal--and somewhere down the line that's gonna catch up with you and you'll have to pull it out again, and rewire everything again, and...it might just be easier to move outta state.
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Good point; you're right, he specifically said ERODs; corrected above. Lemme check on LS.
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Well I talked to the BAR southern California regional manager and he was emphatic that the LS3 e-rod could not go in to 96' He said that I would have to get a motor from a Chevy Silverado 1500 to be compliant. He also suggested that I get a LS motor from a vehicle as near in age to mine as possible. He said this would ensure that the OBD II systems would be similar between the 80 and the donor vehicle making it easier to get it to pass. He noted that if I were to pull a motor from a 2010 it would have at least 6 computers on it and getting the swap perfect so no codes were thrown would be next to impossible. This is something that George at Valley Hybrids had also mentioned
Okay, the scoop is, LS swaps are "almost" impossible. While technically do-able, expect the state to find some reason to deny your swap. My interpretation of that is, you can no longer base a business on it--but MAYBE you can get your individual swap approved, IF the cards fall your way, IF the ref's in a good mood, AND no smog-checker flags it for reinspection, EVER. So put your money on the table and spin the wheel...
thatcabledude
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Ridiculous. I wouldn’t even bother.
FYI, the 00-02 Gen 3 truck engines have EGR if that would help.
FYI, the 00-02 Gen 3 truck engines have EGR if that would help.
thatcabledude
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How so? He’s moving his business the hell out of California.Jonathan Ward disagrees.
thatcabledude
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But you’d probably have to use the corresponding manifolds which will not clear the frame.
Not so much; he told me that today (the LS part). "My take" is my take, though; you can't tell a customer it'll pass CARB, and not know whether CARB will thumbs-up or -down. He mostly swaps into 40s, and can do what he likes with those. I win the lottery, that's top of my list...Jonathan Ward disagrees.
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6 months ago at 6:20Jonathan Ward disagrees.
It's a resale; only way to get one in a hurry. He talks about the E-ROD circus in this video. This is the last CA-legal swap.
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That’s true - last one for CA and other similarly regulated states.
Good God, there are other states like CA?
Thing that gets me is, doesn't matter if you're somehow miraculously 100% clean, nothing but water vapor out the tailpipe--if you don't have the parts they say you gotta have, you fail. What the hell sense does that make?
Lol. Bunch of Vogons!!
Bung 'em out the airlock before they start reading their poetry-- I mean, regulations...
That's always what's gotten me about emissions testing in CO. I've failed visual a few times over the years, but if the emissions pass the sniffer test, who cares what's attached to what under the hood? If the stated goal of the program is to make sure all registered vehicles meet pollution standards, the ONLY THING that should matter is what comes out the exhaust.
thatcabledude
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Exactly. There’s more to them doing it than just clean air.
