Dissent offroad modular front bumper (3 Viewers)
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Haha, if I would have welded it you would of had bolted up already
Yes- No doubt-
it's done now- just waiting on powder coating
I ended up getting a Hobart Handler 210MVP It has 110 and 230 plugs and will do 140A on the 110 plug. This should be more than adequate for any of the welding I would ever want to do. Thanks for the help and input.
Now just to be patient while waiting on my kit to arrive
@benc I have a quick question. I've been looking at front bumpers, and have noticed that ARB/TJM/Ironman4x4 all push that they are air bag complaint. I'm sure you don't advertise anything like that because dealing with the government bureaucracy to make those claims is no doubt expensive and wasteful. But have you had any of your customers get in an accident with one of your bumpers and if so did the air bags deploy properly? I'm sure I'm worried about nothing, but I want to make sure my family is as safe as possible if we are in an accident. My other concern is my insurance company rejecting any claims due to the bumper. Just wondering if you have any insite on these questions. Thanks.
@hidesertwheelin. I'll chime in - because I can be more "direct" in the explantation than a manufacturer (who could be disposed later) might be comfortable being...
I did a bit of research (Google) on the topic when I looked at bumpers for my last truck. Everything I found was the same: All bumpers are airbag compatible... because the sensors are nowhere near the bumpers. Sensors deep in the car/truck measure yaw, deceleration, etc. and determine if, when and which airbags will deploy. ARB and another (AEV?) are the only companies to state this... they have better lawyers - not bumpers.
The "crush cans" or crumple zones in some bumpers are not part of the airbag sensor. They are intended to mitigate damage in a low-speed impact.
I did a bit of research (Google) on the topic when I looked at bumpers for my last truck. Everything I found was the same: All bumpers are airbag compatible... because the sensors are nowhere near the bumpers. Sensors deep in the car/truck measure yaw, deceleration, etc. and determine if, when and which airbags will deploy. ARB and another (AEV?) are the only companies to state this... they have better lawyers - not bumpers.
The "crush cans" or crumple zones in some bumpers are not part of the airbag sensor. They are intended to mitigate damage in a low-speed impact.
benc
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Manhattan is correct, the bumper has nothing to do with the air bag sensors. The main reason you see most Aussie company say air bag compatible is due to Australia's strict laws regarding offroad products. From what I have found I believe they are required to crash test and also required to have a certain amount of coverage, this is most likely why they are bulky and all similar in design.
With my bumper all factory crumple zones remain in place.
For legality reasons most after market assessories in the US will likely say for offroad use only as most company's do not have the resources to go through all the testing to get DOT aproved.
As far as as you insurance goes I can not say for sure how they would handle it if you were to get into an accident but it typically shouldn't be an issue.
Hope that clears some things up.
Thanks for the info guys.
I have never seen an issue with insurance and an aftermarket bumper in my 16 years in the industry. Not saying there isn't a chance, but I wouldn't worry about it.
Came back from oversea trip, and suffered from jet lag, and BANG!! Couldn't gauge the side spacing and bumped into the side of garage. Hard hit about 2 inches in and the car shook. I didn't notice any visible bending of structure. Maybe a little inward 1/32 of an inch, if that; but happy to see nothing major happened to the modular system.
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Absolutely true. Though you probably stated something that was too subtle for most people.
The real affect of an "airbag compatible bumper" is not the ability for the airbags to be function in an accident. But for it to NOT deploy in a low-speed impact. The airbag is part of a larger protection system, and is called for only in the worst accidents. Anything below that should be mitigated by the bumper (<5 mph), then the crumple zone (under some deceleration threshold), then beyond that is full blown airbag deployment.
With an aftermarket bumper like this, one has effectively eliminated this tiered protection system. Any impact may cause airbag deployment, because the forces are directed transmitted into the impact sensor (and occupant). Especially so if the object being struct is large and immovable. Fortunately, most other objects are other likely smaller vehicles, and they become our crumple zones if you will.
Note the airbag compliant ARB/TJM/Ironman4x4 bumpers add a deform-able structure behind their bumpers.
Do you make one for an 80?
cruzerDave
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ROFL! Love it...
Ben, any idea on shipping to east coast? Been following your threads for a while now and am getting to the point where I will be home for long enough to put an order in.
benc
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So with a lot of thought I have decided not to offer the DIY kits anymore, now that this is turning into more than a side business i need to to make sure anything with the dissent logo on it is perfect. Not saying you guys that have already put one together have done a bad job but for quality control purpose will no longer have the kits.
Sorry and hope you understand.
Sorry and hope you understand.
