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Has anybody had any luck mating the 4BT to an A343F transmission? I'd like to swap my 80 but I want to keep it auto and would mainly use it as a DD/camping/surf wagon. I've searched pretty hard and it seems most people use a manual trans or non toy auto.
 
Yeah that thread came up in my searches but he used a toy engine, I'm looking for someone who used a cummins 4bt with the A343F. Not sure I'm really gonna turn up anything though.
 
I've never personally done that conversion, but you can adapt the two assuming you have a GM plate on the 4bt. You can adapt to the Toyota 4-speed using the marks adapter, at least to the bellhousing. I'm not sure if the crank adapter will be the same as the v8 kit.

FZJ80 Holden V8

The issue you will run into is controlling the a343 transmission, because it is currently controlled by the engine ECU. I believe Marks worked up a standalone ECU, but I might be wrong. Check with them to see if that might be an option.

Before you go through with a 4bt conversion though, make sure you read through everyone's experience with it. It's a loud engine, but they're absolutely bulletproof and can make great power. You might even get lucky and find one for sale, they are fore sale pretty often in the 80 and 60 variety.
 
Yeah I've noticed that they're loud and apparently pretty shaky but compared to the cost of a toy diesel it seems like its something I can handle. If I have to change the trans and transfer case then I'll be on the slippery slope and might as well do a 6bt and full size axles while I'm at it. I'm pretty handy with aftermarket stand alone ecu's so I might be able to figure out a way to control the trans like that but the cost would probably be substantial.
 
Dumb question. But cant you guys get factory turbo diesels in the US? You had V6 tacoma's about 10 years before we did here :). I am shocked if you dont get the factory turbo diesel 80's.
 
Dumb question. But cant you guys get factory turbo diesels in the US? You had V6 tacoma's about 10 years before we did here :). I am shocked if you dont get the factory turbo diesel 80's.

We didn't get turbo diesel motors from Toyota in the States unfortunately. Diesel Toyota motors imported here and running start at around $10,000 avg. Thats why Americans go for the 4bt and 6.5 turbo diesel swaps
 
Well I would rather have a duramax than the factory T/D's. But 10k isnt too bad. Its 15k min here and 30k for good 1. Thats for the whole truck though :)
 
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93 w/bus tranny to a 6.2 GM?s

Can I use the "bus" trans since it has a sperate TCM? If so what about stall speed in the TC? And shift points?

I would like to go full Mark's Adapters kit plate,mounts and spacer. Is this a good bolt in kit?

How do you get the tach to read correct?

What about the radiator? Is the stock one good enough? If not what is a good replacement source?

It seems everyone is set on 3" exhaust. This is what I plan on unlees someone has a better option.

Where do you get the battery hold down set up for 24v systems?

Thanks
 
So to all doing the 6.2/6.5 what motor mounts are you using?? AA??

Are they a pretty straight forward job with instructions??
 
So to all doing the 6.2/6.5 what motor mounts are you using?? AA??

Are they a pretty straight forward job with instructions??

We always make out own mounts, don't trust the AA mounts with this torque. Not that the mounts have a problem, just the rubbers. Our mounts utilize the factory 6.2/6.5 engine mount units
 
Has anybody had any luck mating the 4BT to an A343F transmission? I'd like to swap my 80 but I want to keep it auto and would mainly use it as a DD/camping/surf wagon. I've searched pretty hard and it seems most people use a manual trans or non toy auto.

There have been a few recent threads about this, thought I'd dredge this up and comment that adapters are available to do this, to bolt a 4BT directly to an FJZ80 automatic.

The 80 series transmission is a huge consideration as is the wiring involved with some of the options and whether or not the end result is right for you.

If you have questions about a 4BT, Isuzu or other non-Toyota diesel I can relate no BS first hand experience.

Without sugar coating anything the mechanical 4BT is a great engine in regards to mileage, power, reliability and low maintenance cost, but it has a tractor noise at idle that is NOT enjoyable to most people. Having daily driven numerous 4BT powered pickups and SUV's my biggest complaint would be shutting the engine off to place drive thru orders. In an 80 series the idle noise isn't bad with the windows rolled up and noise is a non-issue when the vehicle is going down the road- Windows up or down. Gearing is a concern with a 4BT. You really want 1700-1900 at 65 MPH. The idle shakes of a 4BT can be calmed substantially with proper engine mounts and an engine that's in good shape. 4BT's really shake around when something's wrong with them- leaky valves, bad injectors, bad headgasket, but the engine can otherwise have good power, mileage and drive perfect. A 4BT in good condition on decent mounts with idle speed at 850 doesn't shake at idle to the point of irritation. Be careful with hydraulic mounts as they often allow too much engine movement and lack a restraint if the mount fails.

The 4BD1T Isuzu's are good engines, they are more complex than a 4BT, but do offer better top end power out of the box and all 4BD1T's have inline Bosch pumps which most regard as superior to the VE's used on the majority of 4BT's. The Isuzu's have liners and parts aren't too bad to overhaul one. The Isuzu uses V-belt pulleys like the Landcruisers. The Isuzu injection pump is on the passenger side where the Toyota throttle and cruise control cables fit well.

There are FUSO and Hino diesels in the same class that will work, but besides owning a 93 Fuso truck for our machine shop I have no experience swapping one. The Isuzu and Cummins engines have a larger market share in the US and my impression is they have a lower cost of ownership as parts and information are more available.

Beyond the mechanical 4BT and 4BD1T the current generation of commonrail 3.9 and 4.5 4BT engines with rear geartrain (RGT) are an option and offer a lot of power, low noise and smooth idling. These are great engines if you don't mind a little wiring (not much really) and are starting to turn up on the used and surplus market at reasonable prices.

I can't comment on installing a 6.2/6.5 into anything. I've removed several from GM pickups for replacement with alternative engines. A great friend has a repair business specializing in these engines and has been VERY busy for the last 2 decades. 6.2's and 6.5's take the cake for spectacular, unexpected engine failures in my book.

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With 80 series 4BT conversions, I've only seen the 700R4 transmission used. In 4BTswap forum, most will say that this in not a good transmission for diesel, particularly with a heavy vehicle, like any 80.

Anyone care to comment on this? If you have a 4BT, what transmission are you using?
 
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NV4500 to Orion. The best set up in my opinion.
 
4bt vs Supercharged 4.5l?

Would anyone care to give me a little comparison based upon experience as to which choice they'd make and why, choosing an FZJ80 with a 4bt Cummins or a Supercharged 4.5l Toyota engine?
 
You're asking this question on a biased forum. Likely everyone here is going to choose the diesel engine.

Pat
 
This is my locked 40th anniversary edition, 1HD-T/A442. I completed the mechanical portion (the easy part) myself and then handed it over to a wiring guru. Let's just say that didn't work out too well. It sat for the next 2.5 years. Thankfully I discovered Tor and his excellent little business just south of me. I got the temp gauge and oil px working and drove it down to him. A little over a week later and under budget, he handed me the keys with every electric doodad working just as mister T had intended. Can't say enough good things about Torfab. Thanks also to Sheldon and Ciaran for their encouragement and help along the way!

Next on the list is to source an AC compressor, install my OME lift and my Auber egt/boost gauges.
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