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Hi folks . not sure if I post this but hope this will give me some info about Diesel swap into my 97LexCruiser . I always like the 5speed FJ80 since it never offer to the US market , and I really like the 12HT and Iv'e read and heard a lot about both side 12HT and 1HZ, but at the end I choose the 12HT 5speed to power up my 97 LexCruiser I know its not a bolt in like 1HZ but its a lot of fab skill involve all by myself . this swap were kind of like New and old not liking the electronic computer control Engine , the only issue I'm having hard time finding parts is the clutch pedal , bracket assembly , I even try to look ebay Australia but has no luck which leads me to go to the local Toyota Dealer and the cost is like ROCKET lol..anybody knows where I can get even just a used one..
Tapage
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your best bet would be at junk yards ... UK or Australia ..
Hello. OK, so I read through this entire thread first, like a good girl. lol
I am in the unfortunate position, right now, of needing to replace or rebuild my stock 1992 FJ80's engine. It's dead, Jim. Hubby says it's a bearing or bearings. Mechanic agrees, says a bearing at least - possibly more wrong with it but he can't tell without pulling it out and taking it apart or sending it out. A former mechanic probably f***ed it up, and also fried and f***ed up the cruiser's electrical system - so it'll also eventually need an automotive electrician to sort that all out... that's beyond my mechanic, who at least admits that he doesn't do electric (unlike the sh*t heel who fails to know his own limits). It ran after the former mechanic f***ed it up, but it lost internal (dome) lights, radio, cigarette lighter, etc. AND it also now will lose battery juice slowly if not occasionally put on a trickle charger. It never did that before the former mechanic screwed everything up.
I've always wished my cruiser was diesel. NOW is The Time to make The Big Decision. Should I do a diesel conversion? Or should I (*can* I even?) drop an FZJ 1FZE engine in there to replace my old FJ 3FE engine?
My mechanic gave me an estimate this morning for replacing my truck's stock gas engine with one from a junkyard with a 60-day warrantee: $1900 total; $1100 for the engine (he freely gave me the phone number of the junk yard Down Neck in Newark, NJ to verify price) + $800 for labor.
NOTE: NOTHING is known about this engine other than it's warranteed for 60 days. For all I know, it's got 300K miles and is ready to crap out in a couple of months - with my luck, on the 61st day after I bought and had the bitch installed. lol then again, it could have been from a Mommy Mall Wagon and only have done 50K easy miles on parking lot macadam. Who the hell knows? It's a craps shoot.
I never even considered asking my mechanic about putting the 1FZE engine in my '92 FJ80. Hubby suggested it when we were back home again and discussing the fact that he doesn't like the idea of dumping an unknown - and likely to be (ab)used, or an equally old or older - engine in my truck. Lou casually asked me what I knew (or was willing to come here and ask) about using the FZJ engine in my FJ80. I had to admit that I believed it could be done, but I didn't know how OR how much OR if there were any caveats in doing it. I'd always lusted after a diesel conversion, personally. Lou asked me what I knew (or was willing to come her and ask) about a diesel conversion. I admitted that, while I knew it could be done and has been done, I knew nothing about the specifics OR the cost. So... here I am, asking the questions.
If that's really ^ the price for something unknown (3FE) from the junkyard, then maybe it's time to ask the Big Question:
Should I do a diesel conversion on my bone stock '92 FJ80? Or should I do an FJ-into-FZJ conversion?
Perhaps you all could answer my questions, please, or at least try to help me sort this all out! Thank you.
(1) What is a ball park cost for doing a proper diesel conversion?
(I'm not doing the work, nor is hubby - neither of us is physically able to do that any more.)
(2) Which engine(s) should I be looking at, if I choose to do the diesel conversion?
Also, what other parts and/or conversions/changes will I need?
(3) What is a ball park cost for doing an 1FZE conversion, please?
(Again - we aren't able to do the work, so it'll need to be done my a mechanic.)
(4) And if I choose to do the 1FZE conversion what other parts - if any - will I need, and/or what other changes - if any - will need to be made?
Thanks for any advice!
I am in the unfortunate position, right now, of needing to replace or rebuild my stock 1992 FJ80's engine. It's dead, Jim. Hubby says it's a bearing or bearings. Mechanic agrees, says a bearing at least - possibly more wrong with it but he can't tell without pulling it out and taking it apart or sending it out. A former mechanic probably f***ed it up, and also fried and f***ed up the cruiser's electrical system - so it'll also eventually need an automotive electrician to sort that all out... that's beyond my mechanic, who at least admits that he doesn't do electric (unlike the sh*t heel who fails to know his own limits). It ran after the former mechanic f***ed it up, but it lost internal (dome) lights, radio, cigarette lighter, etc. AND it also now will lose battery juice slowly if not occasionally put on a trickle charger. It never did that before the former mechanic screwed everything up.
I've always wished my cruiser was diesel. NOW is The Time to make The Big Decision. Should I do a diesel conversion? Or should I (*can* I even?) drop an FZJ 1FZE engine in there to replace my old FJ 3FE engine?
My mechanic gave me an estimate this morning for replacing my truck's stock gas engine with one from a junkyard with a 60-day warrantee: $1900 total; $1100 for the engine (he freely gave me the phone number of the junk yard Down Neck in Newark, NJ to verify price) + $800 for labor.
NOTE: NOTHING is known about this engine other than it's warranteed for 60 days. For all I know, it's got 300K miles and is ready to crap out in a couple of months - with my luck, on the 61st day after I bought and had the bitch installed. lol then again, it could have been from a Mommy Mall Wagon and only have done 50K easy miles on parking lot macadam. Who the hell knows? It's a craps shoot.
I never even considered asking my mechanic about putting the 1FZE engine in my '92 FJ80. Hubby suggested it when we were back home again and discussing the fact that he doesn't like the idea of dumping an unknown - and likely to be (ab)used, or an equally old or older - engine in my truck. Lou casually asked me what I knew (or was willing to come here and ask) about using the FZJ engine in my FJ80. I had to admit that I believed it could be done, but I didn't know how OR how much OR if there were any caveats in doing it. I'd always lusted after a diesel conversion, personally. Lou asked me what I knew (or was willing to come her and ask) about a diesel conversion. I admitted that, while I knew it could be done and has been done, I knew nothing about the specifics OR the cost. So... here I am, asking the questions.
If that's really ^ the price for something unknown (3FE) from the junkyard, then maybe it's time to ask the Big Question:
Should I do a diesel conversion on my bone stock '92 FJ80? Or should I do an FJ-into-FZJ conversion?
Perhaps you all could answer my questions, please, or at least try to help me sort this all out! Thank you.
(1) What is a ball park cost for doing a proper diesel conversion?
(I'm not doing the work, nor is hubby - neither of us is physically able to do that any more.)
(2) Which engine(s) should I be looking at, if I choose to do the diesel conversion?
Also, what other parts and/or conversions/changes will I need?
(3) What is a ball park cost for doing an 1FZE conversion, please?
(Again - we aren't able to do the work, so it'll need to be done my a mechanic.)
(4) And if I choose to do the 1FZE conversion what other parts - if any - will I need, and/or what other changes - if any - will need to be made?
Thanks for any advice!
Polar Bear
Is it supposed to sound like that?
[/QUOTE]
(1) What is a ball park cost for doing a proper diesel conversion?
(I'm not doing the work, nor is hubby - neither of us is physically able to do that any more.)
(2) Which engine(s) should I be looking at, if I choose to do the diesel conversion?
Also, what other parts and/or conversions/changes will I need?
(3) What is a ball park cost for doing an 1FZE conversion, please?
(Again - we aren't able to do the work, so it'll need to be done my a mechanic.)
(4) And if I choose to do the 1FZE conversion what other parts - if any - will I need, and/or what other changes - if any - will need to be made?
Thanks for any advice![/QUOTE]
Depends on the diesel engine- a GM 6.2/6.5 installed with a 700R trans and an adapter to use your existing transfer case runs approximately 10k-13k, a Cummins 6BT with an NV4500 trans installed starts around 16k and goes up from there, a Toyota diesel installed starts around 20k and goes up from there. Members are developing an Isuzu 4BD1T swap, but the bugs are still being ironed out so a dollar figure isn't available yet.
All these motors and trans are junkyard pulls, not taking into account any repairs/rebuilding. Jonesey's is doing a 6BT swap that utilizes the stock transmission, but I don't know what their numbers are.
A gas motor Chevy vortec swap with a Chevy trans starts around 14k apparently as well.
These are only rough estimates I've gathered, but I'll bow to anyone with first hand knowledge of a particular swap cost.
(1) What is a ball park cost for doing a proper diesel conversion?
(I'm not doing the work, nor is hubby - neither of us is physically able to do that any more.)
(2) Which engine(s) should I be looking at, if I choose to do the diesel conversion?
Also, what other parts and/or conversions/changes will I need?
(3) What is a ball park cost for doing an 1FZE conversion, please?
(Again - we aren't able to do the work, so it'll need to be done my a mechanic.)
(4) And if I choose to do the 1FZE conversion what other parts - if any - will I need, and/or what other changes - if any - will need to be made?
Thanks for any advice!
[/QUOTE]Depends on the diesel engine- a GM 6.2/6.5 installed with a 700R trans and an adapter to use your existing transfer case runs approximately 10k-13k, a Cummins 6BT with an NV4500 trans installed starts around 16k and goes up from there, a Toyota diesel installed starts around 20k and goes up from there. Members are developing an Isuzu 4BD1T swap, but the bugs are still being ironed out so a dollar figure isn't available yet.
All these motors and trans are junkyard pulls, not taking into account any repairs/rebuilding. Jonesey's is doing a 6BT swap that utilizes the stock transmission, but I don't know what their numbers are.
A gas motor Chevy vortec swap with a Chevy trans starts around 14k apparently as well.
These are only rough estimates I've gathered, but I'll bow to anyone with first hand knowledge of a particular swap cost.
cruisermate- most the used parts on AU-ebay are posted by wrecking yards. Double check the time zone, then give a few of them a call. be careful to spec out ALL the parts you need. These guys are used to replacing a part in a system already installed OEM. A slightly different challenge to install a clutch pedal in a rig that never had one.
Yes I did , just found one on Aussie Ebay and called them they are one of wrecking yard in Australia and the price is very good so I guess this guys will be my primary contact when I need parts where is not available in the US.
What do you people think about these two engines as candidates for swap into LC 80?
This will be introduced in new Nissan Titan - 5.0 V8 Cummins
http://cumminsengines.com/5L-v8-turbo-diesel?&Categories=103#overview
300HP and over 800NM - sounds like way better option than 5.9 BT or 6.2 Chevy. I am sure it will have better options for bellhousing and adapting to stock transmission in Toyota vehicles.
And this Italian engine, is anybody using a Cherokee 2011 with this 3 liter engine?
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/1208dp_banks_vm_motori_630t_v6_diesel_engine/
This will be introduced in new Nissan Titan - 5.0 V8 Cummins
http://cumminsengines.com/5L-v8-turbo-diesel?&Categories=103#overview
300HP and over 800NM - sounds like way better option than 5.9 BT or 6.2 Chevy. I am sure it will have better options for bellhousing and adapting to stock transmission in Toyota vehicles.
And this Italian engine, is anybody using a Cherokee 2011 with this 3 liter engine?
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/1208dp_banks_vm_motori_630t_v6_diesel_engine/
6840
Old Timer
Tugarin,
Dont' know anything about the new Nissan Cummins engine, but based on reputation I would expect it to be a monster.
The VM Motori is the engine they use in the J8 Jeep, and it was also found for a few years in Land Cruisers that were bound for some european countries when the Toyota diesel couldn't meet EU emissions.
Dont' know anything about the new Nissan Cummins engine, but based on reputation I would expect it to be a monster.
The VM Motori is the engine they use in the J8 Jeep, and it was also found for a few years in Land Cruisers that were bound for some european countries when the Toyota diesel couldn't meet EU emissions.
Here it is:
http://www.trucktrend.com/features/consumer/163_1310_cummins_isv_5_0_turbo_diesel_first_look/
Another thing which is kind of interesting that is what they wrote in the article: Cummins designed an engine that can directly replace gasoline V-8 and V-10s engines.
It will be a monster and the size is not really big. Look at the pictures, seems like it is SAE#3 bellhousing pattern, which will make this engine preferable for power and torque swaps.
Polar Bear
Is it supposed to sound like that?
Wow, factory compound turbos. Sounds very expensive but extremely cool.
Tuning possibilities anyone? B-)
Tuning possibilities anyone? B-)
I don't think many people will be swapping the newest diesel engines into anything. The 2007 and later engines don't really have anything going for them over previous models. They have proven less efficient and more failure prone.
The 5.0 Nissan diesel could be a success or it could be a huge failure. If it is a success in the Nissan platform I doubt it will be an easy job to get that engine running happily stand alone, without the body or transmission it was attached to. It's a completely new engine with zero aftermarket support or familiarity. If the engine is a success in the Nissan folks will be interested in swapping them 10-15 years down the road, not right away, when they are completely unproven.
I fail to see much market for SAE to TLC transmission adapters.
The 5.0 Nissan diesel could be a success or it could be a huge failure. If it is a success in the Nissan platform I doubt it will be an easy job to get that engine running happily stand alone, without the body or transmission it was attached to. It's a completely new engine with zero aftermarket support or familiarity. If the engine is a success in the Nissan folks will be interested in swapping them 10-15 years down the road, not right away, when they are completely unproven.
I fail to see much market for SAE to TLC transmission adapters.
Polar Bear
Is it supposed to sound like that?
Somebody needs to successfully swap a duramax with the Allison into an 80. Several have started, but no one has gone the distance yet.
I'll get that taken care of once I find that sack of gold I misplaced...
I'll get that taken care of once I find that sack of gold I misplaced...
A bit of a hijack:
I've read on the Internet that Cummins 5.0 diesel engine may find its way into the Toyota Tundra as well. I haven't seen that mentioned on mud yet. I wonder how much these trucks are going to cost?
Pat
I've read on the Internet that Cummins 5.0 diesel engine may find its way into the Toyota Tundra as well. I haven't seen that mentioned on mud yet. I wonder how much these trucks are going to cost?
Pat
6840
Old Timer
dmax swap
The duramax engine has proven to be a difficult swap in many platforms. There were efforts to swap it into Humvees and H1 Hummers - people have done it, but the cost was incredible and the military humvees operating in desert climates had persistent overheating problems.
That is a big engine for an FJ80 engine bay. I doubt you could fit a large enough radiator to cool the beast...
The duramax engine has proven to be a difficult swap in many platforms. There were efforts to swap it into Humvees and H1 Hummers - people have done it, but the cost was incredible and the military humvees operating in desert climates had persistent overheating problems.
That is a big engine for an FJ80 engine bay. I doubt you could fit a large enough radiator to cool the beast...
Have you guys ever seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBfy_kjkt4I
It's a little bit of a hijack..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBfy_kjkt4I
It's a little bit of a hijack..
It's a little bit of a hijack..
You think?
You think?
