Bumps on my 78’s rear tub/fenders? (2 Viewers)

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I've had an eye on that - "Easy-to-understand operator interface", etc. Don't know what the negatives would be? Maybe there aren't any. ;)

heat control is on gun. Foot pedal is extra. he bought the foot pedal upgrade. no other negatives as far as I know. He is doing up to 1/4" steel plate with good penetration.

Also doing aluminum with great looking welds. Like any other TIG, cleanliness, prep, and technique are key.
 
MIG - Millermatic 180 - trying to teach myself as I go. Also picked up the MIG book that Miller sells - watched a few videos on the web. Love the welding so far - don't care much for the grinding :grinpimp:

The 180 is great - working on the sill it might be cool to have a TIG for small things, more control, like welding nuts on , etc. Might try to go there some day if I can find a TIG class and scrape the bucks for equipment together. Funny how the welding opens up lots of projects I could never approach before. Again the Miller is great - if I get a TIG at some point I will save up my pennies and it will be a Miller.
Thank you for the information. I have one too but cant get to weld 18G without too much distortion. What wire do you use?
Ehsan
 
I have the same Miller 180 MIG as Gus at home. It works great. At work I have access to a couple of new 350 Amp Miller TIGs and a big MIG. For the 18 ga I would use a TIG. I haven't figured out how to do thin sheet with the MIG yet. BTW, I am not a welder - I just melt metal together. I won't be welding my roll cage myself but I'll do most other stuff.
 
Thank you for the information. I have one too but cant get to weld 18G without too much distortion. What wire do you use?
Ehsan

I have the same Miller 180 MIG as Gus at home. It works great. At work I have access to a couple of new 350 Amp Miller TIGs and a big MIG. For the 18 ga I would use a TIG. I haven't figured out how to do thin sheet with the MIG yet. BTW, I am not a welder - I just melt metal together. I won't be welding my roll cage myself but I'll do most other stuff.

I'm not a welder either, my 180 is the only machine I've had my hands on. I feel like I've had somewhat decent results - seems to get better - but I am slow. And I've only smelled the top of my head burning once so far :grinpimp:

Things I worry about:
1) Use small .024 in (0.6 mm), high quality wire...
2) I try to keep setting on the higher side - cold welds that need to be reworked seem like one of the biggest pains for me.
3) I try to get a really good fit on the butt-joint patches, etc.
4) Try to use a heat-sink of some kind, if possible (thanks to Miker)
5) Make sure everything is really held in place (clamped) - so things don't start moving around on the first few tacks...
6) Tack everything with good 2 sec min tacks - spreading everything out trying to watch the heat - always thinking about the heat and where things will move. Sometimes I use a small fan, running, pointed away, tack a few places on one side of the truck, point the fan on that area and tack somewhere else on the cruiser, then move the fan, come back and keep going...
7) I'm worried about good welds/penetration and I always start to get distortion as the tacks get closer together, finishing up and I'm looking at the backside for solid welds. I do a little hammer work too (another reason I'd like a TIG) - but I'm afraid to bang around too much on a MIG joint. Still always feels like too much filler material is going down - I assume someone who knows TIG could really control the filler material.
8) I used to try to grind the tacks and come back, tack-to-tack along the seam - but I had trouble with the tacks acting like a heat sink (even ground down), uneven heat along the seam, bad penetration, etc. Now I grind the tacks down and go back over to finish, but I don't weld over a previous tack anymore - trying something a little different (see drawing). Still get some distortion but seem to get a better (complete fusion on far side) weld.

Boy - starting to sound like I should get a life... :rolleyes:
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heat control is on gun. Foot pedal is extra. he bought the foot pedal upgrade. no other negatives as far as I know. He is doing up to 1/4" steel plate with good penetration.

Also doing aluminum with great looking welds. Like any other TIG, cleanliness, prep, and technique are key.

Can you use the supplied heat-control gun with the pedal upgrade or do you need a new gun too?
 
I'm not a welder either, my 180 is the only machine I've had my hands on. I feel like I've had somewhat decent results - seems to get better - but I am slow. And I've only smelled the top of my head burning once so far :grinpimp:

Things I worry about:
1) Use small .024 in (0.6 mm), high quality wire...
2) I try to keep setting on the higher side - cold welds that need to be reworked seem like one of the biggest pains for me.
3) I try to get a really good fit on the butt-joint patches, etc.
4) Try to use a heat-sink of some kind, if possible (thanks to Miker)
5) Make sure everything is really held in place (clamped) - so things don't start moving around on the first few tacks...
6) Tack everything with good 2 sec min tacks - spreading everything out trying to watch the heat - always thinking about the heat and where things will move. Sometimes I use a small fan, running, pointed away, tack a few places on one side of the truck, point the fan on that area and tack somewhere else on the cruiser, then move the fan, come back and keep going...
7) I'm worried about good welds/penetration and I always start to get distortion as the tacks get closer together, finishing up and I'm looking at the backside for solid welds. I do a little hammer work too (another reason I'd like a TIG) - but I'm afraid to bang around too much on a MIG joint. Still always feels like too much filler material is going down - I assume someone who knows TIG could really control the filler material.
8) I used to try to grind the tacks and come back, tack-to-tack along the seam - but I had trouble with the tacks acting like a heat sink (even ground down), uneven heat along the seam, bad penetration, etc. Now I grind the tacks down and go back over to finish, but I don't weld over a previous tack anymore - trying something a little different (see drawing). Still get some distortion but seem to get a better (complete fusion on far side) weld.

Boy - starting to sound like I should get a life... :rolleyes:
Thank you. Those are great tips. I will see what I do.. :). I could not get 0.6 wire and had to do with 0.8. Thats probable one reason we are not making it fine?
Ehsan
 
Can you use the supplied heat-control gun with the pedal upgrade or do you need a new gun too?


I'm not positive on this but I understood the pedal was added to the stock setup using the stock gun. The foot pedal upgrade is about $150.

You will also need another gas bottle and a set of tools used exclusivly for each type metal you are TIG welding. This includes brushes, files, grinding wheels, etc. Any amount of contamination of metals will create issues with the welding process.
 
Eshan,
Your life will be easier with the .023 or .030 wires, .035 is too wide for use on anything 14 guage or thinner. low speed, low amperage.
This is from the guy who manages a body shop.
Dave
 
Eshan,
Your life will be easier with the .023 or .030 wires, .035 is too wide for use on anything 14 guage or thinner. low speed, low amperage.
This is from the guy who manages a body shop.
Dave
Thank you for the advice. 0.035 equates to 0.6 ?
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Thank you. Those are great tips. I will see what I do.. :). I could not get 0.6 wire and had to do with 0.8. Thats probable one reason we are not making it fine?
Ehsan

This might be obvious but the .023 is solid core wire used with shielding gas. A gas mixture of 75% Argon and 25% CO2 is recommended for sheet metal work.
Running straight 100% CO2 gas will burn hotter than the 75/25 mix with all else the same.

Flux core wire will also burn hotter and dig deeper into the metal than solid core with a shielding gas. Therefore, flux core is not as desireable for sheet metal.

The advantage of using the .023 over the .030 is that it will let you turn down the amperage and voltage on the welder. You will have a bit more time to control the puddle before melt through. You should also have less material and grinding to remove after the welding is done.

Fit with sheet metal is very important and any small gap can easily be burned through.

I try to point the wire more at the middle of the weld puddle as you move along rather than the leading edge like you would for a best penetration weld and this will help reduce burn through because there is more material in the middle of the puddle and it acts as a better heat sink. Just don't spent too much time in any one spot or :mad:

Don't be afraid to release the trigger if you think you're not doing something right or you've been in one spot too long. Stop and let it cool. Clean the area. Grind if necessary and start again.

An auto darkening helmut is a real plus for sheetmetal. It makes things a lot easier when you are starting and stoping a lot.

I like to use a drag technique rather than a push as this lends itself to pointing the wire at the weld puddle rather than the edge. At least this seems to work better for me.

If you do have a hole to fill, then if you angle the gun more, even initially up to 45 degrees, it will help to avoid burn through. Once you have some thickness laid down at or next to the hole or gap then you can move the gun to a more standard position and wip the puddle into the open hole to fill it. It may take several times to get it filled but this is the technique I use for holes and poor fitment.
 
damn you west coast guys are lucky.....chasin after a brown dusty smudge you call rust.......here in the northeast our cruisers start to look like this
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This might be obvious but the .023 is solid core wire used with shielding gas. A gas mixture of 75% Argon and 25% CO2 is recommended for sheet metal work.
Running straight 100% CO2 gas will burn hotter than the 75/25 mix with all else the same.

Flux core wire will also burn hotter and dig deeper into the metal than solid core with a shielding gas. Therefore, flux core is not as desireable for sheet metal.

The advantage of using the .023 over the .030 is that it will let you turn down the amperage and voltage on the welder. You will have a bit more time to control the puddle before melt through. You should also have less material and grinding to remove after the welding is done.

Fit with sheet metal is very important and any small gap can easily be burned through.

I try to point the wire more at the middle of the weld puddle as you move along rather than the leading edge like you would for a best penetration weld and this will help reduce burn through because there is more material in the middle of the puddle and it acts as a better heat sink. Just don't spent too much time in any one spot or :mad:

Don't be afraid to release the trigger if you think you're not doing something right or you've been in one spot too long. Stop and let it cool. Clean the area. Grind if necessary and start again.

An auto darkening helmut is a real plus for sheetmetal. It makes things a lot easier when you are starting and stoping a lot.

I like to use a drag technique rather than a push as this lends itself to pointing the wire at the weld puddle rather than the edge. At least this seems to work better for me.

If you do have a hole to fill, then if you angle the gun more, even initially up to 45 degrees, it will help to avoid burn through. Once you have some thickness laid down at or next to the hole or gap then you can move the gun to a more standard position and wip the puddle into the open hole to fill it. It may take several times to get it filled but this is the technique I use for holes and poor fitment.

As usual - all good advice Mike!

Also - when it comes to filling gaps/holes the "stickout" on the gun will change both voltage and amperage a bit - move the gun up and down for a longer stickout to bridge a gap, etc. Not easy for me but seems to get better with practice...
 
initial feedback for Kevin...

Got home from Colorado yesterday and found my sill channels from Kevin had arrived. Beautiful parts, great fit - cover to structure - even had to use a gentle screw driver to get them apart.

Size at this point looks good - I'll know more later. May need to grind the old internal brackets at the 5/16" radius area a bit (see photo) - or maybe just a tack weld at that point so it doesn't rub in future with vibration. Note I still think the "dimple' dim I gave Kevin is .060" too much to driver's side, but there seems to be plenty of flat for the latch.

Thinking about small drain (.065) holes inside the 18 ga cover bottom lip - hidden on bottom in the bend radius - in an attempt to keep future moisture from building up in the sill "sandwich". Might try to shoot the thing full of POR15 after re-assemby/welding.

Can't believe I've got these channels... thanks again to Awl_TEQ for the great work and Miker for the referral :)
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Let us know how well then ends fit and any other details you recommend changing. I can add or take away from any dimension in +/-0.020 increments. Increasing the radius is more difficult due to tooling restrictions.


Kevin
 
More dim notes...

Let us know how well then ends fit and any other details you recommend changing. I can add or take away from any dimension in +/-0.020 increments. Increasing the radius is more difficult due to tooling restrictions.


Kevin

I don't think the radius is a big deal - your cover/structure fit around the step is probably closer than the stock parts were. A quick grind/file on the 2 stock brackets should provide plenty of clearance.

The 2.300 dim (see attached drawing) seems a bit over (2.330-2.340) on my channels, but they seem to match up fine on the horns with a bit of clamping. You could maybe knock .020 off that dim and bring it around 2.310. Again hard to say without good original stock parts to measure.

Note the A/B dims are correct in that the top (2.030) is wider than the bottom (1.928) and both should stick out a little (my stock sill anyway) from the horn material they weld to. Stock was maybe a bit shorter - "A" matches up and spot welds to floor and my rear floor area/sill was shot - so you could knock .020 off those 2 dims. Not a big deal for me - I need to fab a piece for the floor anyway...

Area "C" on the stock sill used a tab (part of the horn) with a 90 degrees bend to roughly fill the opening. I left it off the horn patch work on purpose. I might leave both sides open to allow more air into the sill sandwich along with the cover drain holes mentioned earlier. If I decide to close it I'll maybe use an additional small 14 ga support brace - welded inside - In which case it would really be closed.

In the process of rigging a crude fixture for welding the horns on and finishing up patch work on the horns. But I'm going to drill the channel holes before the horns get attached. Anyone know a good source for weld nuts?
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sill update...

More or less got the sill together - ran out of weld primer...

Awl_TEQ channels with old original brackets, weld nuts and curved horns. The horns were a bit of work to patch. But everything seems straight and the measurements seem to have worked out so far. Overall seems light/springy but strong.

Kind of goobered-up the weld-nut welding :o - they won't be falling off anyway. Funny how it seems like I always know when I'm about to screw something up and I go ahead and do it anyway.
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In the most valley girl voice ever; OMG you are so awesome! Dude subscribing. Amazing. Please keep the in depth pictures coming. ILUVMUD.
 

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