Best replacement radiator for the money today... (2 Viewers)
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This was from another thread where they asked if they needed the foam but it applies...kinda
A couple points....
A. the gap the foam closes equals about 12sq inches so yes I'd replace the foam... that is a huge volume of air that is now being forced under the hood with zero net gain... might as well use it to cool the radiator...
B. 90% of the replacement radiators I've run into are 2 row vs the 4 row OEM means less damed up air pressure
C. 2 row is not really a bad thing... in a previous life I was around air flow and heat transfer and often the first rows were so effective that by the time the air got to the 3rd & 4th rows it had little heat absorption/dissipation ... basically just added weight and the amount of coolant it held...
D. your temp gauge won't show hot when you have a catastrophic coolant system failure because the temp sending unit has to measure the coolant temp... if it ain't there... you get no temp reading...
E. Opinion... I think most 2 row radiators will more than cool the 4.7 toyota.... and increase performance by a very small %... less restrictive = better mpg, less weight = better mpg, less weight is less prone to typical failure at the seams less stress and more surface area at the seams on the ones I've seen...
F. the 2 row are less than $100 online
I have 2 in use now... and I do watch them I have experienced 4 failures in 4 row radiators and so far none with the 2 row... but I check my oil at every fill up and look for signs of radiator leaking...
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A couple points....
A. the gap the foam closes equals about 12sq inches so yes I'd replace the foam... that is a huge volume of air that is now being forced under the hood with zero net gain... might as well use it to cool the radiator...
B. 90% of the replacement radiators I've run into are 2 row vs the 4 row OEM means less damed up air pressure
C. 2 row is not really a bad thing... in a previous life I was around air flow and heat transfer and often the first rows were so effective that by the time the air got to the 3rd & 4th rows it had little heat absorption/dissipation ... basically just added weight and the amount of coolant it held...
D. your temp gauge won't show hot when you have a catastrophic coolant system failure because the temp sending unit has to measure the coolant temp... if it ain't there... you get no temp reading...
E. Opinion... I think most 2 row radiators will more than cool the 4.7 toyota.... and increase performance by a very small %... less restrictive = better mpg, less weight = better mpg, less weight is less prone to typical failure at the seams less stress and more surface area at the seams on the ones I've seen...
F. the 2 row are less than $100 online
I have 2 in use now... and I do watch them I have experienced 4 failures in 4 row radiators and so far none with the 2 row... but I check my oil at every fill up and look for signs of radiator leaking...
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Are there any good quality all aluminum radiiators available for the 100? Seems that OEM denso is a good choice but the seem is the weak link. There is a old timer with a radiator shop by me that rebuilds radiators and if I have a problem with an aluminum it can be rebuilt.
I searched Griffin Thermal Products for an exact fit all aluminum radiator. They do not list anything for the LC but they can custom build according to their website.
I looked up a large radiator listed for Tahoe, Sierra, Yukon so as to get a price point. Suggested retail was $849.46 so I lost interest pretty quick. Money better spent elsewhere for now.
I looked up a large radiator listed for Tahoe, Sierra, Yukon so as to get a price point. Suggested retail was $849.46 so I lost interest pretty quick. Money better spent elsewhere for now.
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I've used 2 of them with no problems.. direct bolt up...
Go to Rock Auto and search - several reasonably priced options there. Dense shows out of stock.
2001LC
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I did not realizes when I asked if you've used that the last sentence was from you @ponyti. Are you the author of points A.-F.?
The above makes reference to lower pressure. I'm wondering if any issue from low pressure like getting adequate flow to rear heater or back pressure on water pump?
Go with Koyo. I have them both in my 80 and 100. Exact fit and virtual duplicates of the originals. Mine have plastic tanks. In AZ they work great. Ned
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The OEM radiator is manufactured by T.Rad, not Denso.
Sounds like a great platform for debate, but I would have a hard time buying that the 2 row lower cost radiator would provide the same benefit or durability as OEM over the long haul( just opinion). 50% more coolant isn't necessarily a bad thing- i.e.; longer service life. A properly working thermostat controls/regulates engine cooling, not the thickness of the radiator right? On the 2 row radiator, I would wonder how the fan shroud matches up to the fan & radiator, (any gaps?) and if the internals in the 2 row radiator are larger to move more fluid, especially concerning if any effects on rear AC performance.
Anyway if you are in a rush, I found you a Denso radiator in stock: for $255 shipped. Buyautoparts.com part# 19-01461 (Denso 221-3152)- Double check model year application. I get conflicting info from Denso's website and the buyautoparts website for applications on later model years 03-07. Denso says 221-3152 fits, but buyautoparts indicates it doesn't. Rep said the Denso application for 03-07 has been discontinued. There was another manufacturer suggested: CSF pn#3006 (but this is a 2 row option) and the price is about $125.
FWIW the rep on the phone said there were two OEM suppliers to Toyota since mid 1990's for radiators: Denso & Valeo. Went to Valeo's interchange and did not however find a radiator application for Landcruiser (or v8 tundra, 4runner, sequoia). So maybe Denso was the only provider to OEM for the LC/Lx.
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Denso does indeed manufacture OE radiators for Toyota but not for Land Cruisers. Toyo Rad/T.Rad has supplied radiators for Japan built LC's since the 40 series... at least. If your radiator is original, check the top, near the reservoir.
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Denso is my first choice, but 6 wk's is to long a wait, and wonder if ever. Edited 1/4/21: OEM is my first choice.
My cost from Toyota Dealer ~$405 (list ~$500.). Dealer said they rarely sale, to pricy.
@ponytl your recommendation of Lazaro Radiator with no issues being a direct bolt at $86 to my door, is temping.
When I gave Rep. PA66-GF30 (number I found molded in plastic on tops OEM of my 00-01 LC & LX's) said it comes up as made in China.
I spoke with Buyautoparts Rep keep insisting he just gave me the info. Said Denso has discontinued these and there own brand (made in there China factory) is the same as OEM in every aspect $224
My cost from Toyota Dealer ~$405 (list ~$500.). Dealer said they rarely sale, to pricy.
@ponytl your recommendation of Lazaro Radiator with no issues being a direct bolt at $86 to my door, is temping.
Speaking with CARID rep., after checking with her source on back order time for Denso, 6 wks and price was higher now, recommend I go with "Replace". They actually have a brand called Replace.
When I gave Rep. PA66-GF30 (number I found molded in plastic on tops OEM of my 00-01 LC & LX's) said it comes up as made in China.
I'm wondering if Denso is even making anymore
Local radiator shop I've used for many years has KOYO $192 gives life time warranty. AZ heat is a great test for sure.
This is interesting, I've emailed T. RAD and waiting on reply.
I'm not so sure we have 4 row in OEM. Interesting when looking in Radiator top I see two rows of openings (slits). I'm going to cut one open and find out, when I've time.
I spoke with Buyautoparts Rep keep insisting he just gave me the info. Said Denso has discontinued these and there own brand (made in there China factory) is the same as OEM in every aspect $224
If it's not leaking or plug I'll not be replacing.
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hoser
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The pic was what you'd get if you ordered new from Toyota. My radiator looks similar to yours... where you can barely make out the T.Rad symbol.
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I told him 01 LC and Denso 221-3152 is what I've been searching. Maybe he found they didn't have after your call. Interest too is their picture of 19-01461 state Denso is OEM underneath, and states in stock. @hoser picture and statement indicates Denso it's not OEM. I like Denso products and would buy if they had either way. So I just calling buyautoparets again, spoke with different rep, it's not in stock.
I'm giving-up on Denso for this job.
Just called local guy speaking to different guy than this morning. He has TYC with life time for $245, not the KOYO $192 I was quote this morning. Frustrating.
That explain why it look new. Thanks.
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