well, you can lower the axle all the way within sway bar or shock limits and see if they wiggle loose...
Bent front diff
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well, you can lower the axle all the way within sway bar or shock limits and see if they wiggle loose...
I would also be VERY concerned about damage to the transfer case. It seems to me that the driveshaft has been impaled into the t-case, as it doesn't have that much travel in the splines.
I'm also wondering what happened to the oil pan. Why is it missing?
I'm also wondering what happened to the oil pan. Why is it missing?
That's some pretty heavy damage. I applaud your determination to do this yourself, but I think you need a couple straight up opinions on this and here's mine.
From the look of the forces involved in that hit, you may be looking at everything from damaged gears in the transfer case, a bent axle housing, damaged steering box, and even transmission issues along with the suspension and steering bits. Much of this you will not know until the truck is repaired to driveable condition and then you'll hear the protesting bearings and bushings a few thousand miles down the road. The skill level to handle this is beyond my abilities and I don't shy away from much.
This is much, much more than a possible bent axle housing and given your experience I think it's a heck of a lot to bite off unless you've got all winter to sort it out.
DougM
From the look of the forces involved in that hit, you may be looking at everything from damaged gears in the transfer case, a bent axle housing, damaged steering box, and even transmission issues along with the suspension and steering bits. Much of this you will not know until the truck is repaired to driveable condition and then you'll hear the protesting bearings and bushings a few thousand miles down the road. The skill level to handle this is beyond my abilities and I don't shy away from much.
This is much, much more than a possible bent axle housing and given your experience I think it's a heck of a lot to bite off unless you've got all winter to sort it out.
DougM
I don't know about the rest of you guys but I'm stressin' out more over the bare parts of the engine hangin' out in the breeze for who knows how long and wondering why someone pulled the pans. One pic looks like the front chain cover might be missing but I haven't seen one that torn down since C-Dan lost that 5-cent oil galley plug and dumped 55 gallons of oil on La Bajada hill, closing I-25N for the better part of a week.
-B-
So, I guess what I'm saying is that it's statistically more likely you have a pile of parts there to sell, or you've got a very deep money pit - you choose.
Out of curiousity, what's going on with the axle drain plug? It looks like it's been ground on/around and welded or something??
DougM
Out of curiousity, what's going on with the axle drain plug? It looks like it's been ground on/around and welded or something??
DougM
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Hey Romer, Thanks for posting those pictures for me. I sent one of the pictures to you upside down. The one of the spring - Oops! Oh well, it's enough to give you guys a pretty good idea of what I’m working on. I'd like to ask a couple of questions, and will try to answer some of those questions you guys posted. My first question comes from reading one of Dan Kunz's comments. What, is the "long side housing" and where is it? The other question I have: Beowulf - You made reference to 2 oil pans. . . . Where's the second one? (Man I feel dumb) Now to answer some of your questions: The frame was damaged. I had it in a body shop and they pulled it with a "state of the art" laser frame machine. Here's a little more history behind the vehicle and it's repair's that might add insight. I bought the vehicle with the idea that my brother was going to help me repair it. He's restored vehicles before and has many connections. Machine shop, Body shop, Mechanic shop, Paint shop, and Inspection shop friends/connections. We don't live in the same city. After picking up the vehicle from one city (4 hours away from mine) we towed it to my brothers city (3 ours away from mine) He got some things set up for me i.e.: Frame shop and a Mechanics opinion while I was busy on the phone and internet asking questions and looking up parts. In no time flat I was $6,000 into it when the undercarriage damage was discovered. It's going to need another $6-$8,000 in order to get it up and running. (So far) At this point I don't know what kind of condition the transmission or engine is in. I’m holding my breath and taking a gamble that they are in good shape. (When I put the vehicle in park it rolled backwards because it was on a bit of an incline - So that made me sick to my stomach because I don't think vehicles are suppose to do that). As to my brother . . . . he's unable to help me with this project, so . . . . I’m doing what I can. A couple of weeks ago two of my friends came over and over the course of a few days we replaced the inner fender, rad support, outer fenders, and hood. That went pretty good. Everything lines up except for the hood. (I think it's the hinges - tried to straighten them) The front diff came back on the oil pan and put a fair size dent in it. It's off the vehicle now because I took it to a shop for repairs. I'll put it back on when the housing is off because it will give me a little more room to work. . . . . . . . . . That's pretty much my vehicle in a nut shell. . . . . . Ummmmm KLF - What were you saying about the Transfer case? And Kalawang, thanks for your "Guy wire" suggestion. I wouldn't have thought of that. It sounds like a good safety back up. . . . . . Thanks . . . . . . Everyone.
Your engine has 2 oil pans; an upper and a lower. At first, I couldn't tell from the pics if both oil pans were missing or only the lower pan. Now I see the oil pick up that is in the upper oil pan.
I hope those $$ amounts are in Cdn dollars 'cause you're gonna lose your butt if those are real dollars.
-B-
no guessing about it, that truck is a parts vehicle and most of those are damaged. Canopoly money or not, you could get a driving cruiser from the states that would save you money and time and be a better vehicle hands down.
I wouldn't be so in love with this truck to continue the insanity of repairing it.
I wouldn't be so in love with this truck to continue the insanity of repairing it.
Sorry, but this is a pit. Have waffles this morning. Everything is better after waffles.
To answer the question to me...
The long side axle is just that. Look at the axle..there is one side longer than the other.
I see that the long side appears to be bent near the diff. Seems to me that it is actually the diff and short side that are bent back and up, but with the amount of force you are looking at in that accident it could be that the point of failure was on the long side since it is less reinforced than the short side.
To answer the question to me...
The long side axle is just that. Look at the axle..there is one side longer than the other.
I see that the long side appears to be bent near the diff. Seems to me that it is actually the diff and short side that are bent back and up, but with the amount of force you are looking at in that accident it could be that the point of failure was on the long side since it is less reinforced than the short side.
It is more than a gamble, you are already into the vehicle for more than it is worth in good, running condition. You would be better to cut your losses and sell it for whatever you can get out of it, and buy a running Land Cruiser.
Even if you gave away your LC and bought another one, you would likely be ahead. For example, you could buy this 1995 FZJ80 ( little better than the 91-92 models) for $7700 or this 91 FJ80 for $3800.
I know there are canuckians who have imported LCs on this forum, and I can pretty much guarantee it will be easier for them to tell you how to import, vs. how to repair your current LC.
Even if you gave away your LC and bought another one, you would likely be ahead. For example, you could buy this 1995 FZJ80 ( little better than the 91-92 models) for $7700 or this 91 FJ80 for $3800.
I know there are canuckians who have imported LCs on this forum, and I can pretty much guarantee it will be easier for them to tell you how to import, vs. how to repair your current LC.
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I forgot to send a few pictures of what the vehicle originally looked like when I first got it. . . . . Here they are.
Also, I took some more pictures this morning to show how far the repairs have gone. It looks like a truck now, instead of a write-off.
I forgot to send a few pictures of what the vehicle originally looked like when I first got it. . . . . Here they are.
Also, I took some more pictures this morning to show how far the repairs have gone. It looks like a truck now, instead of a write-off.
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Wonder what it would have looked like with an ARB. Still damaged but maybe the front wouldn't have been in bad shape.
Not sure how more front end rigidity would have protected the control arm from taco'ing and axle housing from bending especially with a hit on the outer wing.
Silk purse.
Sow's ear.
Sorry.
-B-
Sow's ear.
Sorry.
-B-
'92 FJ80 -> 3FE engine -> one oil pan (steel)
Oh, and I agree, this is a parts vehicle. You're gonna spend waaaay more than it's worth fixing it.
Tosha has decided to fix this cruiser. Since when has owning a cruiser been about economics anyways. Here are some pictures of the bent front axle. Lets go forward knowing that she is going to fix it and help her.
First off, she needs a new axle. Anyone have one lying around?
First off, she needs a new axle. Anyone have one lying around?
