All Burned Up

[Cruisin']

I did a quick search on the po. Sounds like he bought a bj70... I feel kinda dirty like a stalker.

I've met and wheeled with the PO. Super nice guy and I'm looking forward to wheeling with him more in the spring. The BJ70 is his wheeling rig/project. He found a pretty clean 80 to replace the one that overheated.

 

[brisveganbj42]

glad to hear you and your family escaped without injury and sorry for your loss of the cruiesr.. as many others have said the cruiser can be replaced but your family can't.

Over here in Au there is a danger when traveling in the outback. Often people have lost their vehicles to fire when they have stopped their hot car over long grass or spinafex. Additionally sometimes this long dry grass has been caught up in the undercarriage and caught fire at a later on.

By the look of the terrain you were driving it doesnt look to be the case in this instance but for those who aren't familiar with this scenario there is some food for thought.

 

[julstirn]

That sucks man, I am gla your ok, it looks like the cars after a vbied has gone off man, just completely destroyed. That stinks, hope you get another one!

 

[LandLocked93]

Who's here because they were perusing Wits End's web site?

 

[ATXLX]

Who's here because they were perusing Wits End's web site?

I'm here because you bumped a 9+ year old thread

 

[Marco Lau]

We went on a wheeling trip this past weekend. On one of our stops a friend comes up and askes if this sounds like an electrical problem?

There was a sizzling sound coming from the engine bay.

It was the charcoal canister venting fumes. He then pulled the gas cap and you could here the gas boiling and the pressure in the tank was tremendous.

He ended up loosing about 5 gallons of fuel.

We found two things that brought this on.

The engine was running hot at around 230* and the engine bay cooling fan (3fe) was not working.

Combined it appeared that the gas in the tank was being heated by the fuel returning to the tank via the FPR.

For the rest of the trip he kept the engine temps down and everything was OK. We're now looking into why the fan wasn't working and any cooling issues.

I just happened to open up my Aisin 3FE green hub to add thicker oil and adjust timing to open. I have 2 Aisin green hub, and both of them are set at 125 F to open per my real time digital thermometer. Prior to modding the green hub, my temp would get to over 220 plus on slow 4L wheeling for extended period of time. since after the adjustment, i have yet to see temp over 195F with AC on full blast on stop and go traffic, and i have only adjusted to open @ 103F..

 

[LINUS]

I'm here because you bumped a 9+ year old thread

Right? - I never saw this back when, so I thought with a quick scan 2009 was 2019 & this was fresh from this summer.

And super sad, it looked like a blue ‘96/‘97 FZJ80 & those are my #1 “white whale” -color.

 

[White Stripe]

Owner probably had some poor aftermarket wiring. Dirt road finished it off. Stock toyota wiring is pretty solid.

 

[BILT4ME]

Owner probably had some poor aftermarket wiring. Dirt road finished it off. Stock toyota wiring is pretty solid.

Nope. Read the thread.

 

[Jgrauman]

Owner probably had some poor aftermarket wiring. Dirt road finished it off. Stock toyota wiring is pretty solid.

Said he had no aftermarket additions in the wiring department. My 80 suffered the same fate when the starter contacts (oem) got stuck and melted the battery down till it caught on fire and melted the engine compartment. Luckily the fire department was only minutes away and cut the hood open to extinguish the flames. Remember, the starter has a straight shot to the battery, any issue there and you have a large gauge wire getting really hot

 

[FJBen]

This looks like a great idea especially for the space saving crowd. No affiliation but what I'm going to get for my cruiser.


Models
$75 for the smaller one, Jay Leno approved.

• 
  50 SECOND DISCHARGE
  More than 4X the fire fighting time of a 5lb fire extinguisher
• 
  COMPACT & EASY TO USE
  30cm (11.75") tall, 3.2cm (1.2") diameter & 275 grams (0.60lbs) weight.Portable & fits almost anywhere
• 
  MAKES NO MESS
  Leaves no residue. Non-toxic, non-corrosive & environmentally friendly
• 
  ZERO PRESSURE DISCHARGE
  Creates no thrust that can otherwise spread oil & liquid fires
• 
  SAFE & MAINTENANCE FREE
  Solid construction has no moving parts or compressed gas to ever service
• 
  FIGHTS ALL MAJOR FIRE CLASSES
  INCLUDING COOKING OIL & GREASE FIRES

Seems like a great thing to fit in any car although not sure if the fires raging that you could get close enough?

 

[Jgrauman]

This looks like a great idea especially for the space saving crowd. No affiliation but what I'm going to get for my cruiser.


Models
$75 for the smaller one, Jay Leno approved.

• 
  50 SECOND DISCHARGE
  More than 4X the fire fighting time of a 5lb fire extinguisher
• 
  COMPACT & EASY TO USE
  30cm (11.75") tall, 3.2cm (1.2") diameter & 275 grams (0.60lbs) weight.Portable & fits almost anywhere
• 
  MAKES NO MESS
  Leaves no residue. Non-toxic, non-corrosive & environmentally friendly
• 
  ZERO PRESSURE DISCHARGE
  Creates no thrust that can otherwise spread oil & liquid fires
• 
  SAFE & MAINTENANCE FREE
  Solid construction has no moving parts or compressed gas to ever service
• 
  FIGHTS ALL MAJOR FIRE CLASSES
  INCLUDING COOKING OIL & GREASE FIRES

Seems like a great thing to fit in any car although not sure if the fires raging that you could get close enough?

Yes, with the hood already popped and access to the fire that works great. Good luck getting the hood popped when the engine bay is on fire. If it's sourced at the battery, as long as the short has power, it's going to burn. Have to get the source cut off.

 

[LandLocked93]

I'm here because you bumped a 9+ year old thread

Indeed...but you probably can't draw too much attention to fire safety.

 

[bhsdriller]

^^that is not an accurate representation of a car fire at all. Like he said the hood is already open.

That's just a small fire on top of an already burnt car lol

 

[FJBen]

Right, I get it. That video is pretty terrible.

I was just using it to show it works/looks.

But it's better than not having anything right?

Fires can happen with the hood open working on things, hood closed and driving, brakes outside the vehicle, exhaust gas spill.... I'd venture to say the vast majority of owners on this site don't have ANY fire suppression on their rigs but yet have every single overland rated trinket you can pack into every spot on the cruiser.
Anyways, just an option for those that don't want to put a traditional tank on their rig.

 

[TYM4FUN]

With hood stuck shut, the Elememnt would be seem much more effective used through the fender well, as apposed to a traditional propelant extinguisher...

 

[flintknapper]

Said he had no aftermarket additions in the wiring department. My 80 suffered the same fate when the starter contacts (oem) got stuck and melted the battery down till it caught on fire and melted the engine compartment. Luckily the fire department was only minutes away and cut the hood open to extinguish the flames. Remember, the starter has a straight shot to the battery, any issue there and you have a large gauge wire getting really hot

Yep, pretty much guarantee it's battery/battery cable related.

Had an ambulance driver come running up to my house one afternoon in a panic asking if I had a hack saw he could borrow.

Looked out at the roadside and the entire area under the hood had billowing smoke coming from it. The battery leads had somehow shorted out and the insulation on the cables was smoking and the battery itself was trying to catch fire.

The fire extinguisher did nothing except keep the flames down. I happened to have some cable cutters and went out and cut the large diameter leads. That was the only way we prevented the truck from going up in flames. They had already removed the elderly person they were transporting from the back. Very much longer and it would been really bad.

 

[White Stripe]

On one of my vehicles I have a circuit breaker that goes from the battery to all the vehicle electrical except the starter. If I have a problem I have it a location in which I can reach under the inner fenderwell and trip the breaker manually. Their are larger 12v circuit breakers that could handle the current of a starter as well. A big kill switch such as what race cars use could also work.

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Said he had no aftermarket additions in the wiring department. My 80 suffered the same fate when the starter contacts (oem) got stuck and melted the battery down till it caught on fire and melted the engine compartment. Luckily the fire department was only minutes away and cut the hood open to extinguish the flames. Remember, the starter has a straight shot to the battery, any issue there and you have a large gauge wire getting really hot

Wouldn't the starter being stuck on just run the starter continuously until the battery went dead? Im trying to picture what happened in my head.

 

[LC4LIFE]

With hood stuck shut, the Elememnt would be seem much more effective used through the fender well, as apposed to a traditional propelant extinguisher...

I agree, but there is also a lot of debate on these.

I have sold tons of these and they are extremely well regarded in Europe and the Outback. Given how they work, I would activate the Element and then stuff it into the engine compartment too. I have also heard of interior fires being handled by activating the Element, throwing it in and then shutting the doors. It then starves the fire of oxygen.

Vehicle fires are tough to deal with regardless of the on-board extinguisher one carries. I just hope I will never have to deal with one personally.

 

[Jgrauman]

On one of my vehicles I have a circuit breaker that goes from the battery to all the vehicle electrical except the starter. If I have a problem I have it a location in which I can reach under the inner fenderwell and trip the breaker manually. Their are larger 12v circuit breakers that could handle the current of a starter as well. A big kill switch such as what race cars use could also work.

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Wouldn't the starter being stuck on just run the starter continuously until the battery went dead? Im trying to picture what happened in my head.

Stuck contacts or broken contacts get hot, melt, break the leads, ground out, dead short, high Amp drain, melt the cables all the way back to the battery and ignite the battery, instant 80 death