Yep, I even keep a spare bolt in the stock holeSo on all the EIMKeith brackets, the stock holes are still accessible if you ever want to go back.
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Yep, I even keep a spare bolt in the stock holeSo on all the EIMKeith brackets, the stock holes are still accessible if you ever want to go back.
For any one that does not understand the importance of haveing the Pan hard parallel to the ground.
Yeah the axle bracket is staying.
Just trying to understand, If the pan hard is parallel to the ground, then how can it be rotating side to side ?That is 1 of 3 benefits that can be achieved and probably the most important. I think raising the roll center as much a possible made a huge difference for me.
1. panhard parallel to ground- axle travels straight up and down
2. raised roll center - height difference fixed on axle side and not frame side
3. centered roll center -which I addressed in my post above
If you look the passenger side bracket sits just below the frame rail. The driver side axle mount is ~4" inside the frame rail which makes the center of the panhard rod lie 2" to the passenger side of the trucks axle/body/center of gravity. I would imagine this causes abnormal suspension loading into the links.
The frame bracket will not raise your roll center like an appropriately sized axle side bracket would. Having a higher roll center is a highly sought after suspension design improvement. There can be a more noticeable difference in handling than a heavy duty sway bar or shocks because it's working when the sway bar and shocks aren't.
Yes, you will have a parallel panhard which will make the suspension move more strait up and down, but its rotating side to side from a lower center point which makes it feel less stable on and off road.
Just trying to understand, If the pan hard is parallel to the ground, then how can it be rotating side to side ?
Guess there is another part to answering your question.Just trying to understand, If the pan hard is parallel to the ground, then how can it be rotating side to side ?
Nope. I think that using dual rate coils that increase rate to the outside wheels and decrease rate to the inside wheels in cornering forces paired with a shock that is well designed to work with those coils and not overwhelmed by the dynamics of a heavy solid axle vehicle is superior to a cheap torsion bar connected to the solid axle and frame designed to mimic that effect, especially when lifted and no longer operating in its intended design parameters and most likely with original bushings.You think that "triangulation" helps counteract the effect of not running a rear sway bar?
If it were just down to properly matched spring rates and shock combos then track cars and rally cars would not use swaybars. I agree that getting a shock setup to work well with your spring rates is a good approach but I disagree that it's superior than a properly matched setup AND a good swaybar in place.Nope. I think that using dual rate coils that increase rate to the outside wheels and decrease rate to the inside wheels in cornering forces paired with a shock that is well designed to work with those coils and not overwhelmed by the dynamics of a heavy solid axle vehicle is superior to a cheap torsion bar connected to the solid axle and frame designed to mimic that effect, especially when lifted and no longer operating in its intended design parameters and most likely with original bushings.
I only took it off because it was making contact at full droop with the foam cell pro shocks, and then it went straight to the metal recyclers. I also don’t have a shovel on my roof.
This is me taking pictures for discussions about swaybars while on 38’s without my poor Toyota solid axle torsion bars.
Maybe some help with why my rear locker light is always on?
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Yep. The improvement in handling is very noticeable.Another point is that stock sways may not do much with the current weight of your setup. Upgraded sway bars made a HUGE difference in handling with my Dobinson Variable Rate tapered springs.
Nope. I think that using dual rate coils that increase rate to the outside wheels and decrease rate to the inside wheels in cornering forces paired with a shock that is well designed to work with those coils and not overwhelmed by the dynamics of a heavy solid axle vehicle is superior to a cheap torsion bar connected to the solid axle and frame designed to mimic that effect, especially when lifted and no longer operating in its intended design parameters and most likely with original bushings.
I only took it off because it was making contact at full droop with the foam cell pro shocks, and then it went straight to the metal recyclers. I also don’t have a shovel on my roof.
This is me taking pictures for discussions about swaybars while on 38’s without my poor Toyota solid axle torsion bars.
Maybe some help with why my rear locker light is always on?
That's a tell tale sign that the body roll was significant enough to effect traction. The body roll is transferring most of the weight to the outside tire and leaving the inside tire less loaded. Imagine the difference cornering on snow/ice.In fact, it wasn't so much that the body roll was the issue, but the rear tires would break loose and the truck would drift.
That reminds me of my old Autocross years. One of the fastest cars was on stock suspension with race slicks, and on the corners it would lean way over, but it stuck and he was fast. Thing was, you had to be a great driver with that lean.That's a tell tale sign that the body roll was significant enough to effect traction. The body roll is transferring most of the weight to the outside tire and leaving the inside tire less loaded. Imagine the difference cornering on snow/ice.
The difference was really apparent to me after switching to different control arms and me being part time 4wd. If you can get an 80 to feel like its fulltime 4WD when its hubs are unlocked you know you've made some magic!
I know it’s been years, but this thread has resurfaced1. No, it’s not putting a side load on there.
2. It bolts up there for additionally stability.
Appreciate your thoughts, just want to make sure nobody is gettting misled is all.