2WD SAS lol is it possible?

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So I've owned a 88 toyota and have been inside and out of it. Being 18 and all I break stuff like none other. Its now sold and I now have a new job making good money (for still livin at home) and I've found myself looking for another toyota. I want to put a big block chevy in it if possible if not a small block will do. I also want some one ton axles and 38.5"x15"x15" boggers on it. but down to the question I figure that if I buy a 86 and later truck I gotta cut out the IFS anyway why wouldn't it be possible to just use a two wheel drive? It would be the same amount of work.

Also its a winter project so times not an issue neither are tools I have a prutty nice shop. that being said is it possible?

Thanks for any and all help!
 
ok that settles that the strength is worth it. and do you know if its possible or worth it two put a big block in it? i need to look for some builds on it to see if and how it can be done.
 
I saw a 454 in a mini on youtube but i never saw under the hood to see if it was really a big block but it was atleast a v-8 of some type.
 
302yoda said:
I saw a 454 in a mini on youtube but i never saw under the hood to see if it was really a big block but it was atleast a v-8 of some type.
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Not to be a rag, but, with a 454 your looking at almost having to have some of longs D60 shafts, a 14bolt rear, and a light(er) foot.

Trust me, ive seen plenty of joints explode with little to no power, but ive driven many 1ton trucks and the ones with a 350 and a standard still kick the sh!t out of the same with a 454.

Have you seen the size of a 454? You would have to eliminate the firewall, fenderwells, relocate the rad, bodylift, find some weird way to run the exhaust as it will not fit between the frame rails and tcase.

IMHO its much easier to do a 3.4 or 4.3 swap, have alot more power than these guys need and be able to run a low mod 60 or a hi mod 44, and, in the end youd have as much fun, if not more because of the lack of headaches. Not to mention that the toycase is more than strong enough to withstand a V-6 and have duals, triples, crawler gears, etc. much cheaper than running a 205/203 doubler or the black box.

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You guys are all wrong.

1KZ-TE

Screw gas engines. They make too much noise and burn too much gas.

I've seen the thread on Pirate about the 2WD SAS truck. IIRC, there was a lot of frame strengthening required. If it was me, I'd go the 4WD route and a Toyota turbo diesel.

Dan
 
a 2wd frame is very very similar, and dimensionally exact to a 79-85 toyota 4wd frame. 86-95 toyota 4wd frames sit lower than the earlier 4wd frames, and the 2wd's. At the front cross-member, an 86-95 IFS 4wd frame sits 1.46" lower, and at the shackle mount, it sits .875" lower when compared to a 1979-1985 Toyota 4wd frame.

That said... your 18. These grandioso plans sound super duper cool (and they are), but are far from practical, and even less reliable. If I could give you any advice, it would be to find a stock truck that best suits how YOU are going to use it, and start with that. Take care of it, wheel it a bit stock, and go from there. If you are after a big block v8 with alot of HP, a mini truck may not be the best choice for you.
 
If you need big block power, then you will need big block power rated trans, transfer, axles, brakes, steering, frame etc. Wouldn't it be a bunch easier it get a big block chevy blazer/pickup and put whatever body you want on it?:confused:
 
Lest we all forget the first Toyota 4WD mini pickups were late 1970's 2WD's converted to 4WD's by Specialized Automotive Engineering. Toyota produced their own 4WD mini in 1979 precisely because of the success of the SAE project. With that said, I also believe I would want to toughen the 2WD frame if going 4WD. I can't imagine where one would plan on putting the steering if one contemplated a BB conversion?????
 
Tools R Us said:
If you need big block power, then you will need big block power rated trans, transfer, axles, brakes, steering, frame etc. Wouldn't it be a bunch easier it get a big block chevy blazer/pickup and put whatever body you want on it?:confused:
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302yoda said:
So I've owned a 88 toyota and have been inside and out of it. Being 18 and all I break stuff like none other. Its now sold and I now have a new job making good money (for still livin at home) and I've found myself looking for another toyota. I want to put a big block chevy in it if possible if not a small block will do. I also want some one ton axles and 38.5"x15"x15" boggers on it. but down to the question I figure that if I buy a 86 and later truck I gotta cut out the IFS anyway why wouldn't it be possible to just use a two wheel drive? It would be the same amount of work.

Also its a winter project so times not an issue neither are tools I have a prutty nice shop. that being said is it possible?

Thanks for any and all help!
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Sell ya my old K-5 and a mild 350 for 2250!

But, yes, a BB in a chevy or ford is so... overdone!
 
slight hijack:

with questions i only ask my self, so should i not use my 91 2wd for a SAS. my thinking was that it is a clean slate to work with and not have to relocate and weaken the frame...?

sure i'll have to find 2 axles couple of transfer cases springs ect.

alright i'm done
 
Matt60 said:
slight hijack:

with questions i only ask my self, so should i not use my 91 2wd for a SAS. my thinking was that it is a clean slate to work with and not have to relocate and weaken the frame...?

sure i'll have to find 2 axles couple of transfer cases springs ect.

alright i'm done
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Anything is possible with enough money. Has it been done? Yes. Would I do it? No way!
 
well at least i have out side opinion...
what should i do with my 91 2wd that i've owned for 17 year and have put 300K on it?
i'm trying to make a trail only ride tired of using my DD's as trail busters. not that the taco isn't doing what its supposed to do...
 
liljlandon said:
The 2wd could sell for more than a 4wd if you advertise its fuel economy!
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Maybe that was a jest, but I live CA. and out here you would never get more for a 2wd then a 4wd in the same condition/mi ect. The 2wd will go for $500-$1000 less every time.
 
this should be FAQ'd.


I searched, and instead of finding this thread, found about 20 other threads that this one thread can answer.



knixen said:
I think I read about sas-ing a 2wd on pirate, they claimed it is much easier with a 2wd.. Or at least faster.
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Let me guess? :D


86 Extra Cab from Crawl Magazine


(follow the link, it's a ton of pages but you'll find it, it's worth it)



"Well I didn't do much tonight. The Wife was sick all day and I had to take over once I got home from work. But I did get the 2" body lift installed.

I also traced the frame rails from the 85 4runner onto to some cardboard and then compared that to the 85 2wd frame rails. Well heres the proof, they are identical!!! In 86 Toyota must have lowered the Frame rails for the IFS 4wd rigs. I'm pretty sure they kept the high rise frame rails on the 2wds until they switched to the taco frames in 95."



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hawkeye said:
Maybe that was a jest, but I live CA. and out here you would never get more for a 2wd then a 4wd in the same condition/mi ect. The 2wd will go for $500-$1000 less every time.
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At first it was, but then i realized the guy i bought mine from got 500$ more for his 2wd, because he swore it got 32mpg. I guess i got lucky! Around here a rusty POS goes for good money. Paid 3200 for mine. And it was bare!
 
If you are still determined to do this then think about the truck/ blazer and puting the toy body on top of that. You already have the v8 drivetrain/frame you are looking for. I would find an ex army blazer with the deisel engine to start with.
 
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