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2025 (Mini) Land Cruiser "FJ" Speculation Thread (1 Viewer)
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Chasing the same dollar actually costs more and causes confusion.
The mini cruiser are definitely not targeting north American market as its main target. You guys forgot that there are other customer outside US. 55k is already expensive in US. Outside of US they are even way more expensive. Not to mention roads that are a lot narrower.
Yes, I read that the Japanese article in BestCarsWeb said this Mini is Japan release only at this point. But I think the Mini would do well in EMEA. There will be a full EV Jimney released in Europe in 2024, so Toyota has better hurry up...
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I think there has to be something different about them. My guess is 4Runner comes non-hybrid and 3 rows. Why you wouldn't just have a 3 row non-hybrid LC250? I have no idea. I think it should be something meaningfully different. I'm not sure it will. Everything I see point to it being a reskin of the same thing.
still a swing and a miss
has no one at Toyota seen the Wrangler and Bronco?!
so lame
has no one at Toyota seen the Wrangler and Bronco?!
so lame
I can't see Toyota not offering a hybrid version of the 4Runner. Everything they have released recently has had a hybrid version even the Tacoma which I think will be a close cousin to the 4R. I'm guessing the 4R might shrink an inch or two to make room for the LC250 and lose it's 3rd row in the limited to push people into the Grand Highlander.
The LC250 is nice but if you put it next to a Bronco it doesn't have much curb appeal except perceived reliability. When you look at the lack of capabilities of the LC250 you can see Toyota is not being aggressive enough to compete with the Bronco or Jeep. I would love to have a Bronco but I wouldn't trust that on a road trip or outside of warranty.
Hopefully Toyota does something with the 4R to get noticed or they will become like the Maple Leafs, keep "running it back" every year hoping for a different result.
The LC250 is nice but if you put it next to a Bronco it doesn't have much curb appeal except perceived reliability. When you look at the lack of capabilities of the LC250 you can see Toyota is not being aggressive enough to compete with the Bronco or Jeep. I would love to have a Bronco but I wouldn't trust that on a road trip or outside of warranty.
Hopefully Toyota does something with the 4R to get noticed or they will become like the Maple Leafs, keep "running it back" every year hoping for a different result.
If the LC250 had a 3rd row - then making the 4Runner smaller makes perfect sense. Otherwise I think 4R has to keep the 3rd though because the LC didn't get it.
Toyota has addressed the 4Runner/Highlander distinction before and was pretty clear that they see the two as necessary different products that share the same size, but have different markets. The Sequoia is both a fullsize and has a pretty marginal 3 row. I don't think it really fills the need on either account very well. And the Highlander/GH don't really fit the BOF side. Keeping the midsize BOF option with a 3rd row is pretty important I think. Arguably the most core market there is in BOF SUVs. And the 4Runner is the only way that happens unless they re-think the LC250 or create another new model that's also the same size.
Here's a crazy out of left field idea no one expects - Toyota in early 2024 introduces the regular LC300 the USA market in mid range trims with a 3rd row. Solve the 3 row problem. Whole new round of fanfare. Existing product with no development cost. And now there's a 3 row midsize BOF model to round out the group.
They already planted the Land Cruiser flag with great fanfare in North America so planting another one with different colors makes no sense. Want the 300? Buy the new GX. Need to transport grandkids to soccer practice? They sell mini vans and Highlanders.
I suppose if the 250 flops then bringing the 300 here, as they should have done to begin with, could be their Plan Z. The sun exploding and a NA V8 are more likely.
I suppose if the 250 flops then bringing the 300 here, as they should have done to begin with, could be their Plan Z. The sun exploding and a NA V8 are more likely.
I don't think they will be able to fit the 3rd row seat in the back with the hybrid battery. Maybe they offer the 2.4 turbo with a 3rd row but that pushes more people into the bottom trims. Betting the limited trim is hybrid only. Hopefully there will be some info leaked this week on the 6th gen.
I definitely don't think they'll bring the 300. The Sequoia is the USA version of that segment. Americanized to be bigger, faster, more of everything.
I still think 4runner will be a 3 row. Likely in base nonturbo. But maybe in more. At the end of the day they're all people movers first. Even Land Cruiser.
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I expect 4Runner to take aim at Branglers with a shorter wheelbase than Land Cruiser, a super-plush but lower-payload suspension, maybe factory 35s, a reincarnated removable top, beard oil dispenser, hat brim flattener, rear facing selfie dash cam, and a driver’s side visor vanity mirror for him.
It'll be the macho weekender for off-road bros that contrasts with the comparatively boring touring / utility wagon (the 250).
This leaves Sequoia for a third row and/or heavy towing—a dull, capable wagon for dull, demanding use cases.
The BOF mini-cruiser could be an inexpensive utilitarian mini-tourer of sorts, like a Suzuki Jimny for the US. I think they’d sell tons and could become a modern cult vehicle — especially if at a highly competitive price point.
But, we’ll see.
I’m sure, just like the rest of us, they’ve seen them broken down on the side of the road, behind tow trucks, etc etc etc
I liked my JL for what it was… but wasn’t sad to see it go just before the warranty expired.
joseywales
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Effing soccer moms. We all suffer for them and their “desires”…
We can't have a Wrangler/Bronco competitor but Toyota can give us this monstrosity...?
so make a RELIBALE, simple, removable top and door solid axle competitor
They have the legendary FJ40 to draw inspiration from.
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They wrecked that brand, I will never buy one again.
They wrecked that model, I will never buy one again.
If it doesn't have a solid axle, I will never buy one.
If it doesn't have a slide down rear window, I will never buy one.
If it doesn't have a good cargo space, I will never buy one.
If it doesn't have a third row, I will never buy one.
If it doesn't accept 35" tires with 12" of ground clearance, I will never buy one.
If it doesn't have a [ fill in the blank ], I will never buy one...
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