2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (3 Viewers)

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Why do they feel the need to use these crappy Dunlop Grandtrak tires. They are horrible on road, in snow, in rain, off road and they wear quickly.
Not to mention they’re the most expensive tire you will ever replace for that size and tire type. Had them on my wife’s Armada from the factory. Obviously replaced with Falken Wildpeaks😂
 
Wil the GX550 top motor be the hybrid 437 horsepower and 583 pound-feet of torque?
Eventually. During the release of the GX 550 they said a hybrid will come later, my guess that is 2 years later. If they release a mid-size Offroad SUV with that much power it would instantly dominate the segment and would cannibalize their own models. Plus, I imagine that's going to get pricey.
 
I don't think this LC250 will be any beefier underneath than the 4Runner. To me it screams poser vehicle for the hipsters wanting to appear like they could out-survive Mad Max in the apocalypse.

It will be interesting to see what sales numbers look like after 3 years

I expect the Lexus will do fine

Lets see how many fan boys pony up the cash and make the commitment to the LC....those numbers will no doubt drive whether or not the after market manufacturers make interesting things for it
 
I strongly disagree.

We don't know what the reliability will be. The 5.7 has its issues (radiator leak, intake valley leak, air injection pump, starter motor in a difficult location to replace, etc.). We won't know what the reliability will be until years down the road. The assertion that reliability will be worse is an assumption supported by no data. Maybe it won't be as reliable, maybe it will be; we just don't know yet.

As for "best performing" the 5.7 certainly doesn't perform well in terms fuel economy -- fuel economy is horrifically bad. I get 14.5 mpg overall in my 200; 12.5 in the city. That simply isn't acceptable anymore. The 5.7 l in my 2013 200 is rated at 380 hp and 401 lb-ft of torque. The 2.4l hybrid is rated at 326 hp and 465 lb-ft of torque. I suspect that the hybrid will have more torque at lower rpm than the 5.7. The 2.4l hybrid in the 250 should have similar acceleration to the 200 series with the 5.7 while getting 50 to 100% better fuel economy. That sure seems like much better "performance" to me.

What remains to be seen is what the NVH will be like. My guess is that it will be great at lower RPM, but worse at high RPM -- time will tell. I don't know whether that will be a deal breaker. I sure do love the v8 sound of my 5.7l, but I don't like its lack of range or the fact that it uses so much fuel. Yes, I knew how bad it would be when I bought it and I can easily afford the fuel. But it still seems rather profligate to be driving a 12.5 mpg SUV on my commute to work.
There is a reason why the RAV4 and Highlander are so popular and why so many must have 3rd row seating. But I get that saying one has a land cruiser sounds cooler :p
 
They do now. I'm 99% on this one. Toyota has said that the Tacoma will have the 9.5 rear axle. That part is straight from Toyota. They haven't said the LC250 does, but it sure looks like it. If you can see any difference other than spring perch and slightly different upper control arm towers, you see more than I do.

Prado:
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LC300:
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Pretty sure that is the same picture just with the global lighting moved.
 
according to the gx550 order guide it has turn assist in the overtrail model.

i do not see anything in the lc250 press release that indicates it has turn assist. does the lc250 have turn assist?
 
Eventually. During the release of the GX 550 they said a hybrid will come later, my guess that is 2 years later. If they release a mid-size Offroad SUV with that much power it would instantly dominate the segment and would cannibalize their own models. Plus, I imagine that's going to get pricey.
Sign me up anyway. Its probably the vehicle I'll be waiting for when it comes to the TNGA platform.

But hey, thats just me. Some guy that joined last month with 14 posts said I'll be a poser hipster pretending I can mad-max it in the apocalypse, or something to that effect... so who knows.
 
There is a reason why the RAV4 and Highlander are so popular and why so many must have 3rd row seating. But I get that saying one has a land cruiser sounds cooler :p
Huh? What are you going on about?

The RAV4 is quite small in the back and here in the US does not have a 3rd row. If it did have a 3rd row it would be basically unusable.

The Highlander is a unibody vehicle with an independent rear suspension. It has a 3rd row that is usable for children and smaller adults -- the lack of a separate frame plus IRS allow for the floor to be lower, improving the room for the 3rd row.

The 200 Series has a solid rear axle and body-on-frame construction. As a result, the rear floor is relatively high, resulting in the 3rd row seats being basically right on the floor. They are usable by small children, but that's about it. A third row in the LC 250 and GX 550 will be similarly pointless. I've never used my 3rd row seats.

If you need a third row usable for adults, then get a minivan. If you really want an SUV with a 3rd row usable for adults, then get a Sequoia or better yet a Tahoekonbanalislade. The IRS on the Tahoekonbanalislade allows the 3rd row to be more usable than the 3rd row in the Sequoia.
 
press release has been updated


GX550 will unlikely get the V6TTH as in the Tundra and Sequoia. The drive train reliability would be compromised
 
Huh? What are you going on about?

The RAV4 is quite small in the back and here in the US does not have a 3rd row. If it did have a 3rd row it would be basically unusable.

The Highlander is a unibody vehicle with an independent rear suspension. It has a 3rd row that is usable for children and smaller adults -- the lack of a separate frame plus IRS allow for the floor to be lower, improving the room for the 3rd row.

The 200 Series has a solid rear axle and body-on-frame construction. As a result, the rear floor is relatively high, resulting in the 3rd row seats being basically right on the floor. They are usable by small children, but that's about it. A third row in the LC 250 and GX 550 will be similarly pointless. I've never used my 3rd row seats.

If you need a third row usable for adults, then get a minivan. If you really want an SUV with a 3rd row usable for adults, then get a Sequoia or better yet a Tahoekonbanalislade. The IRS on the Tahoekonbanalislade allows the 3rd row to be more usable than the 3rd row in the Sequoia.
Based on many comments by some, another platform would much better serve their needs and requirements but without the cool brand name and features they claim they want but would never ever use. A delusion even more prevalent among Jeep owners. Triple locked! LOL

IF that’s not you personally then feel free to move on, huh!
 
Sign me up anyway. Its probably the vehicle I'll be waiting for when it comes to the TNGA platform.

But hey, thats just me. Some guy that joined last month with 14 posts said I'll be a poser hipster pretending I can mad-max it in the apocalypse, or something to that effect... so who knows.
I’m down too! But then people would bitch that you would run out of battery in 40 seconds.
 
Based on many comments by some, another platform would much better serve their needs and requirements but without the cool brand name and features they claim they want but would never ever use. A delusion even more prevalent among Jeep owners. Triple locked! LOL

IF that’s not you personally then feel free to move on, huh!
Certainly there are some folks who buy off-road capable vehicles and might be served better by a crossover. And there are folks who buy crossovers who might be better served by a minivan. But it's their money and their choice.

Personally, I take my SUVs to places like Imogene Pass:


Good luck getting a Highlander up here without damage:

 
Second one has a thing attached to the diff, probably the electrical locker.

I like how inboard the springs are, very good for cross articulation.
If that's confirmed that'll be a big strike against the "not a real Landcruiser" camp. One of the big differentiators of the light duty prado for years has been the much less robust rear axle (although, it's not like Toyota 8" diffs are exploding left and right in mini trucks. Full float rear axles have other advantages though beyond strength).
 
If that's confirmed that'll be a big strike against the "not a real Landcruiser" camp. One of the big differentiators of the light duty prado for years has been the much less robust rear axle (although, it's not like Toyota 8" diffs are exploding left and right in mini trucks. Full float rear axles have other advantages though beyond strength).
If we count the size of axle to define real Land Cruiser we could also say that nothing produced after 1990 is a real Land Cruiser as they all got a smaller front axle.
The thing has the J code, on Toyota website they are all in the Land Cruiser family page, nowhere in technical documentation they are called "Prado", it's just a marketing naming used in some countries and that was picked-up in Internet talking, but a lot of markets never used it and simply called it Land Cruiser.
In many markets LC SW are named with the complete name (including the SW) or some time called "the big Land Cruiser" to differentiate upward from the regular one (the Prado) that is the most sold.


When you read the "Talk" on Wikipedia it really leads to a lot of stupid situation, for exemple people debate a sentence stating that the Land Cruiser was removed from the UK market in 2016 because they say the Land Cruiser is still sold over there. It ends with a moderator saying that it will remove the sentence if no one brings a source, etc. etc.
All of that because what was removed from the UK market in 2016 is only the LC SW but as those people consider that it's just the LC they don't think necessary to specify in their sentence, but as the Prado is just named LC in the UK it becomes contradictory with the sources....
Lot of fun reading that and seeing that people running this page were not capable to sort this one.
 
That seems to be an open question. Some people are saying it will be the turbo 4 hybrid. I hope it will be the TTV6 hybrid.
More than likely the GX hybrid will get whatever the LX700h gets, and most certainly not before it gets released first in the LX. Can’t see them offering the turbo 4 hybrid in the GX, esp if we are thinking the TTV6 trims will top out in the > $80k range
 
Certainly there are some folks who buy off-road capable vehicles and might be served better by a crossover. And there are folks who buy crossovers who might be better served by a minivan. But it's their money and their choice.

Personally, I take my SUVs to places like Imogene Pass:


Good luck getting a Highlander up here without damage:


Unlike many others, Imogene may be one of the most doable in all sorts of trucks. I certainly would not spend too much just to go out there once every few years but it does have some great insta views.

My point was that the certainly people are in or close to the majority of complainers. Others just need to justify their decision. In any event, it’s certainly mostly a want - not a needs thing (Based on their comments)
 
My 2007 GX470 has 263 HP stock :). It's probably up around 280-300 hp with the mods but tows just fine. Turbo 4 should have better low-end torque than a 2UZ-FE.....so the answer is I would have no problem towing my 4,000# camper with 279 HP :).

My FIL's completely stock 1999 Cummins has a paltry 215 HP/420 ft-lbs and tows a 7,000# camper fine. Low-HP vehicles tow well when they have good low-end torque.
Part of the problem is that speeds have increased a lot. Going 60mph on a posted 80mph highway isn't safe. I'm okay going a bit slower than the traffic flow, but when you get to 20 or 30 mph differences it starts to be a legitimate safety concern.

It'll be interesting to see how the powerplant in this does. Might be great. The peak hp isn't always a good indicator of how it is to live with in real world use. Toyota could increase the 1GR to 325hp by running it up to 7k rpms, but it wouldn't make it any better for normal use. I wasn't impressed with the 8AR in a NX200t. It felt anemic. The V35A in the new tundra felt fantastic to me. Even side by side with my powerstroke, although I haven't towed anything with a TTv6 tundra - just test driving. It's impressive in power delivery for sure. Hopefully the turbo 4 is closer to the TTv6 than the predecessor 8AR.
 
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