2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (2 Viewers)

[epaul]

If we count the size of axle to define real Land Cruiser we could also say that nothing produced after 1990 is a real Land Cruiser as they all got a smaller front axle.
The thing has the J code, on Toyota website they are all in the Land Cruiser family page, nowhere in technical documentation they are called "Prado", it's just a marketing naming used in some countries and that was picked-up in Internet talking, but a lot of markets never used it and simply called it Land Cruiser.
In many markets LC SW are named with the complete name (including the SW) or some time called "the big Land Cruiser" to differentiate upward from the regular one (the Prado) that is the most sold.


When you read the "Talk" on Wikipedia it really leads to a lot of stupid situation, for exemple people debate a sentence stating that the Land Cruiser was removed from the UK market in 2016 because they say the Land Cruiser is still sold over there. It ends with a moderator saying that it will remove the sentence if no one brings a source, etc. etc.
All of that because what was removed from the UK market in 2016 is only the LC SW but as those people consider that it's just the LC they don't think necessary to specify in their sentence, but as the Prado is just named LC in the UK it becomes contradictory with the sources....
Lot of fun reading that and seeing that people running this page were not capable to sort this one.

I think they called the light duty 90 series the "Colorado" in the UK. I wish it was marketed as the Prado in the US. I like the name. Means "field" or "meadow" in Spanish or something.

 

[M1911]

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[epaul]

Unlike many others, Imogene may be one of the most doable in all sorts of trucks. I certainly would not spend too much just to go out there once every few years but it does have some great insta views.

My point was that the certainly people are in or close to the majority of complainers. Others just need to justify their decision. In any event, it’s certainly mostly a want - not a needs thing (Based on their comments)

Imogene and tbh most of the other trails in the San Juans are DOABLE in a crossover, but it would be a stressful experience with a much higher likelihood of breaking something than in even a stock 4x4. I personally have a proper 4x4 with a mild lift and tires to handle those kinds of roads comfortably and I have a toyota specifically because I want to make it back when I'm far away from civilization.

 

[Jetboy]

Pretty sure that is the same picture just with the global lighting moved.

Looks very similar because they're damn near the same parts - I'd bet almost all the parts are actually the same parts. The entire LC250 rolling chassis is nearly identical. Same wheel base, same track width, very similar frames, eKDSS. The only difference I can tell that is maybe meaningful between them is that the base LC300's use hydraulic power steering with electric assist and the LC, GX, and LX models appear to all use electric power steering without a hydraulic system. Without seeing the parts like tie rod ends side by side it's hard to know if they're comparable or significantly different. We might know more when we see more details on the components and part number comparisons. But it looks like the unifying of the BOF models is extensive to the point that they're all pretty close to the same thing.

 

[Brown98LC]

Looks very similar because they're damn near the same parts - I'd bet almost all the parts are actually the same parts. The entire LC250 rolling chassis is nearly identical. Same wheel base, same track width, very similar frames, eKDSS. The only difference I can tell that is maybe meaningful between them is that the base LC300's use hydraulic power steering with electric assist and the LC, GX, and LX models appear to all use electric power steering without a hydraulic system. Without seeing the parts like tie rod ends side by side it's hard to know if they're comparable or significantly different. We might know more when we see more details on the components and part number comparisons. But it looks like the unifying of the BOF models is extensive to the point that they're all pretty close to the same thing.

Toyota still refers to the 250 as light duty though


Upper control arms are different and look beefier on the 300 (not sure about lower)



Less underbody protection in some areas

i feel like i quoted @TeCKis300 a million times to explain this

Front bump stops - the 250 GX has a single stop, the LX600/LC300 utilizes two like the 200

Body mounts - the two largest ones in the mid section, the 300-series brackets are larger and tie into a longer section of frame

Front LCA pickup points - 300-series pickups are tighter in to the frame and would be geometrically stronger/stiffer
..


And this is without us even having access to the vehicles side by side

Toyota themselves say the 250 is light duty,
Could the differences above be enough for classify it as light duty or as you said other hidden parts that we won't know off until we compare part numbers?

 

[Jetboy]

I don't think Imogene is super challenging. Very scenic for sure. Lots of Subarus do it every year. I'm sure a CRV or Rav4 would have little problem. It's mostly a high elevation gravel road. Some guy did it in a Miata. There's a ton of places a LC will go that those others wouldn't. Imogene just isn't one of them.

 

[Rednexus]

Part of the problem is that speeds have increased a lot. Going 60mph on a posted 80mph highway isn't safe. I'm okay going a bit slower than the traffic flow, but when you get to 20 or 30 mph differences it starts to be a legitimate safety concern.

It'll be interesting to see how the powerplant in this does. Might be great. The peak hp isn't always a good indicator of how it is to live with in real world use. Toyota could increase the 1GR to 325hp by running it up to 7k rpms, but it wouldn't make it any better for normal use. I wasn't impressed with the 8AR in a NX200t. It felt anemic. The V35A in the new tundra felt fantastic to me. Even side by side with my powerstroke, although I haven't towed anything with a TTv6 tundra - just test driving. It's impressive in power delivery for sure. Hopefully the turbo 4 is closer to the TTv6 than the predecessor 8AR.

I pull 65-70 mph all the time in mine, most semi trucks run a similar speed as well. I'm quite happy to stay in the right lane and let traffic go around. And under no circumstances would I never tow faster than 75 mph in my GX or any other vehicle with a camper for that matter. It's far too fast to be safe in the event of a panic stop.

 

[Jetboy]

Toyota still refers to the 250 as light duty though


Upper control arms are different and look beefier on the 300 (not sure about lower)



Less underbody protection in some areas

i feel like i quoted @TeCKis300 a million times to explain this

Front bump stops - the 250 GX has a single stop, the LX600/LC300 utilizes two like the 200

Body mounts - the two largest ones in the mid section, the 300-series brackets are larger and tie into a longer section of frame

Front LCA pickup points - 300-series pickups are tighter in to the frame and would be geometrically stronger/stiffer
..


And this is without us even having access to the vehicles side by side

Toyota themselves say the 250 is light duty,
Could the differences above be enough for classify it as light duty or as you said other hidden parts that we won't know off until we compare part numbers?

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Toyota says a lot of things to help marketing. We'll see when it comes out. I think the two are going to be a lot more the same than different.

 

[Jetboy]

I pull 65-70 mph all the time in mine, most semi trucks run a similar speed as well. I'm quite happy to stay in the right lane and let traffic go around. And under no circumstances would I ever tow faster than 75 mph in my GX or any other vehicle with a camper for that matter. It's far too fast to be safe in the event of a panic stop.

It varies a lot depending on where you are. Flow of traffic on a posted 80mph highway is often in the mid-high 80s and semis are right in that 80 range. I try to keep it more like 70-75 max, but even on some roads I'll have a constant flow of semis passing. I think around 60mph is probably an ideal speed for safe and comfortable towing for most travel trailers. But it's a balance. At a minimum I upgrade the trailer tires because the cheap ones they come with usually are only speed rated to 68mph.

 

[Brown98LC]

Toyota says a lot of things to help marketing. We'll see when it comes out. I think the two are going to be a lot more the same than different.

Alot of the stuff could bolt on honestly.

If some things prove better it could be swapped out easily I reckon.

That's the nice thing about having TNGA-F
More similarities than differences hopefully.

 

[Romer]

I don't think Imogene is super challenging. Very scenic for sure. Lots of Subarus do it every year. I'm sure a CRV or Rav4 would have little problem. It's mostly a high elevation gravel road. Some guy did it in a Miata. There's a ton of places a LC will go that those others wouldn't. Imogene just isn't one of them.

A stock 4Wd can do Imogene. The hardest part is the shelf road when there is two way traffic. Black Bear isnt that hard either. One spot if you don't turn slightly to drive down the decline instead of going straight has led to rolls and there is a pucker factor on the 3 point turn with a 2000 foot drop over the edge

 

[Jetboy]

A stock 4Wd can do Imogene. The hardest part is the shelf road when there is two way traffic. Black Bear isnt that hard either. One spot if you don't turn slightly to drive down the decline instead of going straight has led to rolls and there is a pucker factor on the 3 point turn with a 2000 foot drop over the edge

They really should make Imogene a 1 way like black bear. The most annoying part is waiting for a big group to pass going the other way. And on the weekends there's always the overland expo clubs with 20 vehicles together. Point them all the same direction - at least on the telluride side - and I think it would be better for everyone.

 

[Phillyd2]

Is the GX550 then also considered a 250?

 

[Brown98LC]

Fast forward to ih8mud In 10 years

The 250 is the best land cruiser ever made and all 80 series parts have been discontinued

 

[Brown98LC]

Is the GX550 then also considered a 250?

A 252.
VJA252

Yeah still technically a 250.

 

[malba2366]

Wil the GX550 top motor be the hybrid 437 horsepower and 583 pound-feet of torque?

I don't think so. The GX press release mentioned the 2.4L turbo hybrid. They may tune it a little differently to get get more power out of It than the one in the LC. I would think that would have to be a lower cost option than the V6 and they may not be able to do the third row with the hybrid.


World Premiere of the All-New Lexus GX | Lexus | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website - https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/lexus/39264002.html

 

[turbo8]

Thank you for the tip, here is the translated drawing.

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Just messing around, but with 34.5" tires and a 3 in ride height increase. the LC will have a 45º approach, 34º departure and 32º breakover.

 

[ThRiLlGmYr]

I refuse to call these new 4Runners, Land Cruisers. Hereforthwith I shall be calling the 2024 LC250 1958 the 2024 4Runner TRD-Off Road (non premium, non-KDSS). The "Land Cruiser" trim is now the 2024 4Runner Trailhunter and the First Edition is the 2024 4Runner TRD Pro. I have officially fixed this mess, you are all welcome.

 

[M1911]

A stock 4Wd can do Imogene. The hardest part is the shelf road when there is two way traffic. Black Bear isnt that hard either. One spot if you don't turn slightly to drive down the decline instead of going straight has led to rolls and there is a pucker factor on the 3 point turn with a 2000 foot drop over the edge

I haven't done Black Bear, but I would like to. It is my understanding that it isn't hard, just unforgiving of inattention.

 

[on the rocks]

I don't think Imogene is super challenging. Very scenic for sure. Lots of Subarus do it every year. I'm sure a CRV or Rav4 would have little problem. It's mostly a high elevation gravel road. Some guy did it in a Miata. There's a ton of places a LC will go that those others wouldn't. Imogene just isn't one of them.

A good majority of that pass is county road, hardly a challenging road. You can make it difficult by choosing certain lines and routes but overall a 3 on a scale of 1-10 in difficulty IMO.