SOLD 2016 Toyota Land Cruiser Troopy

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Year
2016
Vehicle Model
  1. 70 Series
Mileage
31000
Color
White
Toyota Land Cruiser HZJ78 2016 with 30,XXX miles

Left Hand Drive
1HZ with 5 Speed Transmission

The vehicle has Guatemalan plates. However, it is temporarily in New Jersey. If you are planning the Pan American, you will not find a better vehicle for the journey. This Troopy is in incredible conditions with only 30,000 miles on its 1HZ engine. Manual Transmission. Hercules Alucab Roof Conversion. I was building out this vehicle out to travel South America, but life plans have changed.
Price: $54,000

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The part that seems to cause the most confusion is that there are two jurisdictions at play: There's the US Federal government, which governs the import of vehicles, and there's each of the 50 state's governments handling the titling and registration of vehicles. Some states have a more relaxed attitude about issuing license plates and titles, and will do so even if a vehicle is here in violation of Federal import laws. In other words, it's possible to be simultaneously in compliance with State laws, and in violation of Federal laws.
 
Well, while you're doing time in prison for fraudulently importing a non-importable vehicle, you might be able to make your own license plates, and when you're released, you simply slap them on the vehicle in question, and, uh... and, uh...
Where was I going with this?
 
If this is here on a temporary import, isn't there going to be some agency looking/inquiring the seller at the end of that time period looking for proof of the vehicle's departure or destruction? Won't that come back to haunt the seller or follow on to the potential buyer? I suspect it would be risky to cornhole this away for a 15year wait or offroad ranch use...
 
If this is here on a temporary import, isn't there going to be some agency looking/inquiring the seller at the end of that time period looking for proof of the vehicle's departure or destruction? Won't that come back to haunt the seller or follow on to the potential buyer? I suspect it would be risky to cornhole this away for a 15year wait or offroad ranch use...
The government does not track illegal citizens or people on work visas when they expire so I bet they don’t follow cars.
 
I bet they don’t follow cars

The problems don't come from someone looking for the car, it's more likely to happen when the owner initiates contact with the authorities by, for instance: Crossing an international border with the car; or getting a traffic ticket; or being in an accident; or trying to register the car in a state with less lax regulations, or buying insurance, or etc. etc.

Keep it on your farm and no one will ever be any the wiser about it. It's still illegal, of course, and don't come crying to me if the Feds come confiscate it, but I wouldn't stay up worrying about that. Drive it on public roads at your own peril, though.

As the OP openly stated, the best option for this would be to register it somewhere other than in the USA.
 
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The government does not track illegal citizens or people on work visas when they expire so I bet they don’t follow cars.

I was thinking the same thing
 
In fairness to the seller, he says the car is registered in Guatemala and can't legally stay in the US.
Not looking to do anything illegal. Sale will need to happen outside the US. Guatemala titles can be transferred electronically with a NIT number.
 
If this is here on a temporary import, isn't there going to be some agency looking/inquiring the seller at the end of that time period looking for proof of the vehicle's departure or destruction? Won't that come back to haunt the seller or follow on to the potential buyer? I suspect it would be risky to cornhole this away for a 15year wait or offroad ranch use...
A US citizen can drive a foreign plated vehicle into the US without any paperwork/TIP. Generally accepted practice is you can stay in the US for a year like this, but there is no actual law.

It’s obviously a rare occurrence.
 
Less snarky answer.

Read this awesome thread by @gilmorneau
Information Re: Importing to the USA and Complete DIY How-To - https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/information-re-importing-to-the-usa-and-complete-diy-how-to.1242055/


The juicy details:


Box 1: The vehicle is over 25 years old. It’s exempt from FMVSS and you can import it. This is the winner for most people, but read on if you must have a newer than 25 year old car.

Box 2: The vehicle complies with all US FMVSS and has a manufacturer’s sticker to prove it, orthe vehicle complies with all Canadian Safety Standards. Unless the vehicle was originally sold new in the US or Canada, this won’t be the case.

Box 3: The vehicle is to be imported by a Registered Importer and modified (within 120 days) to meet all relevant FMVSS. Now, this is actually a way to get some newer than 25 year old vehicles imported legally. If there’s a “substantially similar” version that was sold in the USA, it should be possible for a Registered Importer to modify an import to meet FMVSS, albeit sometimes at great expense. (More info about this in a subsequent post)

Box 4: You’re only importing the vehicle to immediately export it. This is probably not your plan.

Box 5: You’re a foreign citizen importing your car for personal use while you’re in the US and you’ll export it after no more than a year. Can’t sell it or keep it here. Probably not your situation.

Box 6: You’re a foreign diplomat or ambassador or something like that. You’re probably not.

Box 7: You’re importing the vehicle for research, demonstration, or racing. You’ll never drive it on the road, you can’t sell it, you can keep it for a maximum of 1 year (at the discretion of the NHTSA), and you agree to export it or destroy it when you’re done with it. Probably isn’t, but If you think this is you, the application is here:

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.dot.gov/files/documents/box7formjuly2014_r.v.3dlf.pdf

Box 8: Vehicle was not manufactured for use on public roads. People have misread this as being a great big loophole, as in: “if I tell the Feds my import is for off-road use only, they’ll let me have anything.” But that’s not what this says. It doesn’t matter what you intend to do with it, it only matters for what purpose the manufacturer built it. In the case of any Landcruiser ever built, Toyota made them to be driven on public roads. Sorry. This section pertains to tractors or whatever, not Landcruisers. You can try if you want. The application is here:

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.dot.gov/files/documents/box8formjuly2014_r_v_4dlf.pdf

Box 9: The vehicle was supplied by the manufacturer incomplete. This would be for something like a cab/chassis that is intended to be built into a motorhome, for example, and when everything that’s on the partial vehicle conforms to FMVSS. It doesn’t apply if you take your new Landcruiser apart overseas and ship it in pieces.

Box 10: Show and Display. Everybody thinks this is another big loophole, too. It’s not really. The application is here if you want to try:

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.dot.gov/files/appsd_permissionjuly2014_r.v.2.pdf

Read the Terms of Importation. Pretty limiting. You can’t drive it, you can’t sell it, and honestly, a Landcruiser would not normally be accepted for a Show and Display exemption anyway—most of them aren’t that special (I suspect some at the Landcruiser Musuem might be here on Show and Display, but then, they’re showing and displaying them).

Box 11: Doesn’t apply to vehicles, only to parts.

Box 12: You are a member of the Armed Forces of a foreign country on assignment in the US and want your own car for personal use. Can’t sell it while you’re here, and you agree to export it when you leave. Probably not you.

Box 13: You are a Registered Importer and plan to petition the NHTSA to have the car considered for import. If your petition fails, you agree to export, surrender, or destroy the vehicle. Self explanatory.

And that’s it. That’s the sum total of all the different ways you can legally import a vehicle into the USA.
What if you purchased it, pulled the body off the chassis and put it on a 97 80 series frame with the original 97 motor. Effectively making it an 80 series with a camper? When the engine dies, make the swap?
 
What if you purchased it, pulled the body off the chassis and put it on a 97 80 series frame with the original 97 motor. Effectively making it an 80 series with a camper? When the engine dies, make the swap

What if you purchased it, pulled the body off the chassis and put it on a 97 80 series frame with the original 97 motor. Effectively making it an 80 series with a camper? When the engine dies, make the swap?
I’m no expert, but that is a viable option. I don’t think the engine has a serial number, so you could use the diesel. Maltec in Germany builds what you are talking about all the time. Very pricy option.
 
What if you purchased it, pulled the body off the chassis and put it on a 97 80 series frame with the original 97 motor. Effectively making it an 80 series with a camper? When the engine dies, make the swap?

That’s exactly what a few people are doing. It’s not for the faint of heart. There are a few builds on mud. I don’t know where the legal line of body swapping crosses so I can’t comment on that with authority.

I don’t know however if people or someone importing full rigs like this and then placing them on 80 series…Becuase they aren’t legal to import in the first place.

I also know there have been a case or two of 80 series framed 70 series that had to be returned or some legality issues.

No sure how it’s being handled, like a kit car or camper remodel…
 
The government does not track illegal citizens or people on work visas when they expire so I bet they don’t follow cars.

So Airbnb a bedroom in your house to an illegal alien and have them register the cruiser.

Untrackable.

That’s some Jason Bourne $hit there!

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Totally hijacked this thread. It’s a great deal for anyone that can swing it or is ok with risk in the US.
 
buy a parts 80 and do the VIN hokey pokey dance
 
The government does not track illegal citizens or people on work visas when they expire so I bet they don’t follow cars.

Yeah...this. There are many people here driving non-US market land cruisers that are not here legally and I haven't heard of one single person here having their LC confiscated. I am not brave enough to take a $54K gamble on this but many folks here are willing to take the risk to lose that much money if it happens. Just breaking this law I doubt you will go to prison for.

Worse case is an accident involving serious injuries' or fatalities on a US highway and your insurance company and accident investigator wonders why your insurance/registration documents don't match the vehicle in the accident. At that point, you may go to prison. It won't even matter in this case if the accident is your fault or not. Not a situation I want to be in but like I said there are some people here within the 70 series community taking that gamble.
 
You mean lying. :lol:

And engaging in insurance fraud. :lol:

Gotta love 'Merica.

And then they suddenly try to offload it stateside for really bloated prices, hoping some poor sucker will take on the same issues you mentioned above.
 

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