200-series Pinnacle of "Land Cruiser" in the States? (1 Viewer)

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There's no singular source and it took a bit of researching and collating. Honestly there was a lot of cross-checking to verify some of the information as even more definitive sources were off or didn't have some things. And I invite that I could still be wrong so please let me know if that's the case.

That said, I prefer directly from the source via press releases where possible.

There's a link in that page for more detailed info - https://www.lexus.com/content/dam/lexus/documents/fcv/2024_Lexus_GX_Press_Release.pdf
Thank you, those were the same specs I was using, I thought maybe you had some additional ones. I made a new post of a drawing I created showing what I believe to be the correct dimensions at this link.

 
Given that the only things I really care about are reliability, durability, interior size, ability to tow, and the ability to do long distances on nasty dusty and muddy roads without so much as a blip, I don’t care whether it is a 300 or a Prado. Having driven Land Cruisers since 1987, and having seen things change a lot (the FJ60 is still the pinnacle and best looking to me), I just care that I can replace my 200 when I finally wear it out.
 
With what I see now with the engine option not significantly improving on the past V8’s . Why not go the other way with the LC, like the Raptor R and TRX.

Take the new GX, put a 70/80 Series body style on it, triple locked, split tailgate, and a Blown 5.7.

This would make the LC the top of the Toyota lineup again, even if the top trim Sequoia was more expensive and bigger.

What I said in another thread, and applying it here. This is about the only thing that will separate me from my 200 HE!
 
Best to wait and see, but IMO this question is entirely subjective.

Yes, one could make the argument that the 200 is the pinnacle. Many people would say the 80 series. Stonepa says the 60. Pighead would probably say the FJ55. :)
 
Pinnacle LC in the US?

Poverty pack 80 series.

Good ride, no screens, bulletproof drivetrain, easy to add lockers, slider cargo windows, tailgate, modern HVAC, solid axles, and just enough power options to satisfy most people. A land cruiser....not a mall cruiser.

Downhill ever since.
 
I really Hope they release a direct competitor to the bronco Jeep world. I’d go place my order.

I feel there are great options for luxury platforms. Give me a new redesigned 40 and I’m in.
The scoop from insiders on the 4runner forum is the new Land Cruiser will be targeted at the Bronco Badlands and Jeep Rubicon level models, it will be revealed this fall. It is supposed to be similar to the new international Prado but it will have a unique front end for the US and Canada with retro style from the 70 series and a possible touch of 40 series thrown in.
 
Pinnacle LC in the US?

Poverty pack 80 series.

Good ride, no screens, bulletproof drivetrain, easy to add lockers, slider cargo windows, tailgate, modern HVAC, solid axles, and just enough power options to satisfy most people. A land cruiser....not a mall cruiser.

Downhill ever since.

Meh, I had one, it did nothing for me. By the way, a true poverty pack lacks the sliding rear side windows. Mine was factory triple locked and that was cool, but the engine and HVAC sucked imho. It didn't have enough power to get out of the way of traffic in Texas and there wasn't enough gusto in the HVAC system for the heat we see down here. I am intrigued with the 105 Series and they are importable here now so that could be the ultimate in terms of bridging the somewhat modern body and looks and the peak off-road capable chassis. Odds are I'll end trading our current GX460 for a GX550 in a few years, the 200 sticks around until it dies and I'll add a truck of some sort and do a resto build on a 60 for the fun rig.
 
Meh, I had one, it did nothing for me. By the way, a true poverty pack lacks the sliding rear side windows. Mine was factory triple locked and that was cool, but the engine and HVAC sucked imho. It didn't have enough power to get out of the way of traffic in Texas and there wasn't enough gusto in the HVAC system for the heat we see down here. I am intrigued with the 105 Series and they are importable here now so that could be the ultimate in terms of bridging the somewhat modern body and looks and the peak off-road capable chassis. Odds are I'll end trading our current GX460 for a GX550 in a few years, the 200 sticks around until it dies and I'll add a truck of some sort and do a resto build on a 60 for the fun rig.
You have to step back in time to when they were new, and what they were competing with.

Cars had 150hp back then, not 500.

But we are talking about the pinnacle of the Land Cruiser, not the latest throw away appliance family hauler that can go 100mph with 8 people in it and 45 cupholder while the driver is texting.

capability, reliability, dependability, size, features, functionality, ruggedness, mod-ablity peaked with the 80 series.
 
The scoop from insiders on the 4runner forum is the new Land Cruiser will be targeted at the Bronco Badlands and Jeep Rubicon level models, it will be revealed this fall. It is supposed to be similar to the new international Prado but it will have a unique front end for the US and Canada with retro style from the 70 series and a possible touch of 40 series thrown in.

If this is accurate I will be lighting my money on fire and hanging it to the sales counter at my Toyota dealer.
 
GX is close, but I would take whatever they give me that has a split tailgate and a Toyota Land Cruiser badge. Other than that, I will stick with 40s-200s. I'm not afraid to drive an old truck! :)
 
You have to step back in time to when they were new, and what they were competing with.

Cars had 150hp back then, not 500.

But we are talking about the pinnacle of the Land Cruiser, not the latest throw away appliance family hauler that can go 100mph with 8 people in it and 45 cupholder while the driver is texting.

capability, reliability, dependability, size, features, functionality, ruggedness, mod-ablity peaked with the 80 series.

I'll give you that the turning point towards more luxury and comfort was the 100 Series, but aside from using it solely for an off-road vehicle I have no interest in ever owning an 80 Series again and that's said confidently after owning what most consider to be the ultimate 80. I am happy with my 200, it serves its purpose as a multi role platform while still being comfortable and reliable and usable as a daily when needed but a rock crawler it is not, even though some use them as such. Should I ever find myself in need of the ultimate off-road vehicle on 37's or larger with a sole use of tackling the gnarliest of terrain I'll likely be looking at something outside of the Toyota badge.
 
LC used to come with 29" and 30" tires. They were not rock crawlers. They didn't go 100 mph. They were built for a purpose, to last, to be dependable, offer all you needed and nothing you didn't....in the name of getting you there and getting you back with minimal fuss and perform a variety of jobs, hard jobs. Not just a 40" tire rock crawler.

Been sitting for 10 years in a field? Pour some fresh gas in and push start it and carry on.

They can call the modern stuff 'land cruisers' if they want, but they are so far from the heritage, the marque, the lineage, the storied history, the ruggedness that its just a marketing name now. Toyota's idea of 'heritage' is bronze wheels and a $300 yakima rack.....something that no other LC ever had. How do you say....lame?

Now its "my screen is glitchy" or "my 10 way air suspension is broken" or "my rear AC isn't working"
 
LC used to come with 29" and 30" tires. They were not rock crawlers. They didn't go 100 mph. They were built for a purpose, to last, to be dependable, offer all you needed and nothing you didn't....in the name of getting you there and getting you back with minimal fuss and perform a variety of jobs, hard jobs. Not just a 40" tire rock crawler.

Been sitting for 10 years in a field? Pour some fresh gas in and push start it and carry on.

They can call the modern stuff 'land cruisers' if they want, but they are so far from the heritage, the marque, the lineage, the storied history, the ruggedness that its just a marketing name now. Toyota's idea of 'heritage' is bronze wheels and a $300 yakima rack.....something that no other LC ever had. How do you say....lame?

Now its "my screen is glitchy" or "my 10 way air suspension is broken" or "my rear AC isn't working"

Typical revisionist LC history imo.

I was into Cruisers when the 80 was still sold new, it's paper specs against competitors was no different than today. 40 & 60 owners were completely critical of EFI engines, coil suspension, the bubbly looks, leather, power everything, etc. The same happened for the 100, the same happened for the 200... and here we are with folks calling the last one the "Pinnacle of "Land Cruiser" in the States?". Hardly shocking.

We race a 200/570 in the stock class of the Baja 1000. Stock control arms, stock diffs, stock CV's, stock steering rack, stock engine, trans, t-case, etc. The chassis (100% stock, no reinforcement allowed) is extremely stalwart and we have phenomenal parts life out of those very stock components. The Canguro rig has 30-35? desert races under it's belt, zero work to the motor, trans or t-case. There is a 0% chance an 80 would survive the same type of off-road conditions for a few races let along 30-35. I love the 60, 70, 80, etc, drive and own them all and they shine in the right places. But to say the 200 is "so far from the.... ruggeness" and "just a marketing name now" is quite laughable. Get out and spend some time around the world. The 200's pretty well known for it's ability to go all the same places the 80, 100 and 200 go... with a bit more speed and capacity.

I'll offer another data point. We drove Land Cruisers around the world through some of the most austere conditions and routes, Canning Stock Route, Skeleton Coast, Road of Bones in Russia, etc. The VDJ7x fleet we had was fantastic and left us wanting for little. We often discuss what we would do differently and what vehicle we would take if we could do it again... a near unanimous vote for the 200 Series. Many of us were/are 200 owners now. I love the 7x but the 200 is that much faster, comfortable, spacious... oh and would have no problem going all the same places we drove the 7x's. I still love the 7x and enjoy traveling in my own but it's not the end-all Land Cruiser.

Now its "my screen is glitchy" or "my 10 way air suspension is broken" or "my rear AC isn't working"

Yes, true. But it's not "my knuckles are falling off", "my axles are leaking", "my head gasket is blown", "my Cruiser can't do the speed limit up Parley's" or "my frame is cracked at the panhard or steering box" :D They all have their issues, the 200's just let us be picky about them.
 
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I remember when I picked up my brand new FJ60 fresh off the ferry and drove it home. A couple of thousand miles of broken concrete and dirt track later and my sister, who was dumb enough to join me, looked me straight in the eye, stating her ‘eggs were scrambled’ and she was never riding in the damn thing again. And she never has. Yep, they all have their peculiarities.
 
I think the real turning point toward luxury was between the 60 and 62.
 
I think the real turning point toward luxury was between the 60 and 62.

That was a big turning point, EFI, auto, pretty standardized PW/PL's.

This question comes up at the museum nearly every time I do a tour. One could argue the entire wagon families were aimed at the segment buying those, think FJ55 power rear window. One could argue it was the IFS of the 100 that kicked off the revolution. Others think it's the 200. History according to 'enthusiasts' will say they ruined the newest one, until there is a newest one. :D
 

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