1HDFT & 1HDFTE observations-discussion (3 Viewers)

[SNLC]

Buddy, if you'd put as much time into creating a thread of your own asking your questions here on MUD, as you have in this thread ragging on @SNLC, you might have got the answers you needed already. Why come onto a public forum, bashing one guy running a commercial outfit, for not giving you answers for free privately to a question you haven't even raised with everyone else? This was something for a PM, not here. I'd like to get back to the sweet Toyota diesel porn please, that's what I subscribe to this thread for.

Seems to me in the first 5-6 pages people who joined this thread sussed out any potential issues with FT/FTEs or things to expect from these engines if considering one for a swap. I shared a fair bit in those pages as well even about the ARPs (also have a specific thread on those) and a fair amount about the EGR system and it’s problems.

I am glad you are still following along, the thread has morphed into a “shop show off thread” because there really isn’t a lot of issues with these engines. In my opinion they are the cream of the crop of Toyota turbo diesels in particular in the inline-six variety. I would put one of our built FTEs up against any 1VD any day, probably loose most days but the FTE will give any 1VD a run for the money if built right. I guess I just am particular to inline-sixes in a Cruiser too.

I run a tiny little two man shop, that includes me, and we build very custom Cruisers, I enjoy sharing that with you all as well as my own Cruiser junk. Not good enough for the forum after my 20yr membership, oh well.

Dudes been blocked, I tried to help him within my capacity and it wasn’t good enough, ie see above for his flail session.

Back to diesel porn my next post!

Cheers

 

[SNLC]

Is this a custom cooler or one off the shelf?

Half off the shelf and half custom fitted. Wide nose 79-series on an 80-series chassis with an FTE and a v8 DPF hood was never made by Toyota. So there is no off the shelf product, more or less.

Cheers

 

[Miloslavich]

Buddy, if you'd put as much time into creating a thread of your own asking your questions here on MUD, as you have in this thread ragging on @SNLC, you might have got the answers you needed already. Why come onto a public forum, bashing one guy running a commercial outfit, for not giving you answers for free privately to a question you haven't even raised with everyone else? This was something for a PM, not here. I'd like to get back to the sweet Toyota diesel porn please, that's what I subscribe to this thread for.

Amen.

 

[Hulsty]

Good thread mate! Enjoy the FTE content.

 

[nickolai]

Half off the shelf and half custom fitted. Wide nose 79-series on an 80-series chassis with an FTE and a v8 DPF hood was never made by Toyota. So there is no off the shelf product, more or less.

Cheers

Looks great.

 

[Lacham05]

Does anyone from this thread know the difference between the early and late FTE pistons?

 

[SNLC]

My FT I am building for my HDJ80 shop truck UTE.

Cheers

 

[SNLC]

Kind of killed my motivation to keep this thread going after that person decided to flail here resulting in me blocking them.

Whatever and **** it, let’s keep this going!

ARP head stud install on this FTE.

Cheers

 

[SNLC]

Last one of the the FTE above.

My FT nearly done.

Another FTE we have built in a 79/80-series mash up build.

Cheers

 

[SNLC]

FTE we just did the ARP head studs for sitting in this modified 80-series chassis. Getting ready to drop the Troopy body down on this 80/78-series mash up build.

H152 5spd and full time HF2A tcase behind it.

Cheers

 

[Loober]

Beautiful stuff @SNLC: Builds like these are no expense spared, best of the best. I see you are using stock exhaust manifolds does that mean the aftermarket manifolds like these are not worth it?

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[logicbyondreaso]

@SNLC What paint do you like to use for the block and head on these diesels? It looks great in the photos!

 

[SNLC]

@SNLC What paint do you like to use for the block and head on these diesels? It looks great in the photos!

I have been using VHT engine enamel.

The main thing is getting them clean and rust free first. Prep is everything to get good lasting results.

Cheers

 

[logicbyondreaso]

I have been using VHT engine enamel.

The main thing is getting them clean and rust free first. Prep is everything to get good lasting results.

Cheers

Thanks for sharing. You did a great job applying it. Looks really good.

 

[ofer bruhis]

Fantastic thread Ian. Don’t loose your motivation with some ‘non inspiring’ comments. It’s the majority of us that are inspired.
I need to stop by again with some cookies. It has been a while.
Cheers mate!

 

[Scotch]

This is great @SNLC , thanks for getting a thread going on these engines. I love seeing them in Europe and south of the border. Finally found an HDJ100 to import this summer.

 

[SNLC]

Differences between FT and FTE, parts wise. This is off the top of my head by the way.

-timing case gears are different in particular the injection pump drive gear. Some FTEs run odd timing gears cut in reverse with additional “damping”. I have only seen this on one Euro FTE that also had liquid cooled EGR, intake shutter and a “smog pump”. Several FT specific timing gears are NLA.

-FT pistons and injectors are different than FTE. None are currently NLA.

-FT pump has a smaller shaft than FTE. Related parts are different as well.

-FT being specific to the 80-series unlike the other 1Hx series, runs a specific oil pickup tube in the pan which is NLA. It only matches 80-series FT pans.

-At least five different oil pans bolt on the 1Hx series, perhaps more.

-FT uses a different dip stick and dip stick tube. The tube is NLA.

-FT valve cover is NLA.

-FTE valve cover cover-cover is NLA.

-Yarmar FTE valve cover is either NLA or will be any day.

-FT pump is NLA from Toyota, couldn’t tell ya from Denso. Numerous internal FT specific parts are NLA from Toyota in the pump.

-FTE 100-series vac pump is NLA.

-FT head is NLA.

-FT short blocks are NLA. I believe you can use a 1HDT block if required. From what I understand all the 1Hx series use the same block with only minor differences. IE, same architecture of the block.

Cheers

 

[ofer bruhis]

Differences between FT and FTE, parts wise. This is off the top of my head by the way.

-timing case gears are different in particular the injection pump drive gear. Some FTEs run odd timing gears cut in reverse with additional “damping”. I have only seen this on one Euro FTE that also had liquid cooled EGR, intake shutter and a “smog pump”. Several FT specific timing gears are NLA.

-FT pistons and injectors are different than FTE. None are currently NLA.

-FT pump has a smaller shaft than FTE. Related parts are different as well.

-FT being specific to the 80-series unlike the other 1Hx series, runs a specific oil pickup tube in the pan which is NLA. It only matches 80-series FT pans.

-At least five different oil pans bolt on the 1Hx series, perhaps more.

-FT uses a different dip stick and dip stick tube. The tube is NLA.

-FT valve cover is NLA.

-FTE valve cover cover-cover is NLA.

-Yarmar FTE valve cover is either NLA or will be any day.

-FT pump is NLA from Toyota, couldn’t tell ya from Denso. Numerous internal FT specific parts are NLA from Toyota in the pump.

-FTE 100-series vac pump is NLA.

-FT head is NLA.

-FT short blocks are NLA. I believe you can use a 1HDT block if required. From what I understand all the 1Hx series use the same block with only minor differences. IE, same architecture of the block.

Cheers

Also.. FT head NLA. Can use the FTE/Yanmar head but the FT valve cover will not fit. Either modify threads on the head for the FT valve cover or use a Yanmar cover that ‘looks’ like the FT or an FTE cover.

 

[SNLC]

@SteelHunterFJ80 to respond to your post over in the for sale thread, here vs there.

I have already explained in various posts why I think the FTE is a superior engine. As far as converting and FTE to an FT, there are a number of problems with that.

First the IP shaft is a smaller diameter on the FT than on an FTE. That means the rear timing case that the oil pump is in and that the IP bolts to has a different size hole for the IP. The gear due to IP shaft size does not interchange either on FT vs FTE, it is specific to the FT. The case and seal are still available but the gear is not.

So to convert an FTE to an FT requires not only an injection pump specific to the FT but also an NLA gear. Perhaps the pump is still available new, Toyota does show the auto trans FT pump part number is still live in the system at over $6k for the pump. The manual trans FT pump is NLA, the auto is likely too but I have never tried to order one. The FT pump may also still be available new from Denso but I doubt that. Sourcing a used FT pump is not impossible but they are not plentiful due to only being manufactured for two years nearly 30yrs ago. Meanwhile you can get a new FTE pump from Denso for about $4k.

On top of this the FTE never came with a pan that works well in an 80-series. Both the HDJ100 and HDJ79 oil pan have clearance issues compared to the 80-series FT pan. The 80 pan is still available but the oil pickup is not and is another specific part to the FT. The oil dip stick tube on the FT is also NLA and is another specific to 80’s and the FT. You can work around these issues but it requires fabrication of FTE parts to match the FT parts. Or having the correct original FT used parts.

I don’t think the seller in the thread you tagged me in knows any of this. It’s not a “bolt on the pump” and go job. If he doesn’t know these things how could he know what he is selling?

As far as wiring up an FTE, yes that is a cost in doing an FTE swap. As is buying an ECU and spill driver. There are no parts currently NLA for the FTE unlike the FT.

Lastly in my opinion making an FTE an FT is going backwards. Like putting a carb on a fuel injected gas engine.

Cheers

 

[svsisu]

@SteelHunterFJ80 to respond to your post over in the for sale thread, here vs there.

I have already explained in various posts why I think the FTE is a superior engine. As far as converting and FTE to an FT, there are a number of problems with that.

First the IP shaft is a smaller diameter on the FT than on an FTE. That means the rear timing case that the oil pump is in and that the IP bolts to has a different size hole for the IP. The gear due to IP shaft size does not interchange either on FT vs FTE, it is specific to the FT. The case and seal are still available but the gear is not.

So to convert an FTE to an FT requires not only an injection pump specific to the FT but also an NLA gear. Perhaps the pump is still available new, Toyota does show the auto trans FT pump part number is still live in the system at over $6k for the pump. The manual trans FT pump is NLA, the auto is likely too but I have never tried to order one. The FT pump may also still be available new from Denso but I doubt that. Sourcing a used FT pump is not impossible but they are not plentiful due to only being manufactured for two years nearly 30yrs ago. Meanwhile you can get a new FTE pump from Denso for about $4k.

On top of this the FTE never came with a pan that works well in an 80-series. Both the HDJ100 and HDJ79 oil pan have clearance issues compared to the 80-series FT pan. The 80 pan is still available but the oil pickup is not and is another specific part to the FT. The oil dip stick tube on the FT is also NLA and is another specific to 80’s and the FT. You can work around these issues but it requires fabrication of FTE parts to match the FT parts. Or having the correct original FT used parts.

I don’t think the seller in the thread you tagged me in knows any of this. It’s not a “bolt on the pump” and go job. If he doesn’t know these things how could he know what he is selling?

As far as wiring up an FTE, yes that is a cost in doing an FTE swap. As is buying an ECU and spill driver. There are no parts currently NLA for the FTE unlike the FT.

Lastly in my opinion making an FTE an FT is going backwards. Like putting a carb on a fuel injected gas engine.

Cheers

Good intel, above and beyond. Thanks for passing on the hard learned knowledge!