Inconsistent Front End Vibration

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I rotated my tires over the weekend and developed a front end vibration at highway speeds. However have now noticed it isn't consistent - comes and goes. So thinking it's not wheel balance related. Any ideas on what else to look at?
 
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It started after your tire rotation right? It might be an issue with the tire carcass/ply that is not visually detectable. If it wasn't there before the tire rotation it surely is tire related...

Otherwise check your hub/wheel bearings for play.
 
Take it back to shop and have them reverse the rotation. That will rule out the chance of it being tires.
 
I rotated them myself - think I will have them re-balanced and see what happens. It's just strange that it comes and goes on a smooth highway.
 
My guess: Toe is out. You're getting a harmonic vibration due to the conflicting tire angles/direction of travel.

If you run your hand over your tire tread, do you feel "sharp edges" in one direction or the other? If so, that's called feathering. It is due to either Toe and/or Camber being out of spec.
 
bamachem- I've got that going on with my GS430. Think I'll be dropping her off for balance and alignment.
 
If you have feathering, then getting a balance or alignment won't stop the vibration, but it will keep it from getting worse. Typically, the feathering is only on the outer edge or inner edge of the tread. To kill the vibration, you have to dismount each tire, swap them over to reverse rotation on the same rim (outside edge becomes inside edge, etc) and re-mount, then re-balance. Getting the alignment corrected will prevent the random vibration from coming back (by preventing the feathering in the first place).

Cross-rotation (also reverse-rotation) won't work as the outer edges that are feathered are still on the outer edges, and due to Camber, they carry a larger portion of the weight than the inside edge. Any inconsistencies with the outer edge of the tread causes more pronounced problems than issues with the inner edges.
 
Check your CV Axle...I had intermittent vibration on front right side on business trip to Wash DC last Wednesday. Felt like bad roads first time then smoothed out. Later in drive it felt like I threw a weight.... or the alignment I had done two days earlier slipped on one wheel. Check it and wheel is tight...everything good.
Smooths out again and a bit later it does it and feels like flat tire. No flat, no loose tire, no torn cv boots or grease slinging but some smoke coming from PS cv axle inner boot.

Go to Toyota dealership halfway in my trip of 600 miles.....had them check c-clip to make sure it did not break and let axle slip out a little as it made metallic binding, popping noise intermittently as I drove into parking lot with windows down. Then had them check that CV Axle....it was toast. It did not feel loose or anything but where the two came together it was messed up. I was in hurry to get to destination so forgot to get old part from them to study later and see what happened...

So will likely do the other myself in week or two and keep current one for a spare for the trails....

But started as intermittent vibration and turned into a CV failure.....

I was halfway through 600 mile trip at 70mph when it first started so she was working a little with AC on and my heavy Nitto Trail Grapplers. I guess 154k miles is not bad for an original CV axle...I dont know. I am not sure if it leaked before or if they just sometimes give up the ghost....

But worth checking before you are out on trail somewhere....hope it is something cheaper to fix for you.
 
I had similar symptoms. Ended up being the lhs spindle bearing. All the rollers were gone. Threw CV-shaft out of balance, occasionally.
 
I've been chasing the same problem since I bought my truck, sometimes it's there bad, sometimes just a little, and sometimes there's nothing.

So far I have had new tires put on, aligned twice, new CV axles, and I re packed my hub bearings.

Not sure what the next step is yet.
 
I had similar symptoms. Ended up being the lhs spindle bearing. All the rollers were gone. Threw CV-shaft out of balance, occasionally.

So did you discover this by dismantling things or could you tell another way the rollers were gone?

And I am not even sure what spindle bearing are? These aren't the front hub bearing?
 
I repacked my bearings in December and they were all great unless it is another set of bearings I am not aware of.....so the CV axle replacement helped mine as I drove it the remaining 300 miles to DC...then back home with a stop in Uwharrie Forest offroading on the way...no more problems and no additional breakages at 70mph on interstate or 28* vertical on DICKIE BELL TRAIL. :)
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The Hub rotates. The Spindle is stationary, with the shaft passing through it. Hub Bearing (Front Wheel Bearing) is between the spindle and the hub (outside the spindle). The Spindle Bearing is between the spindle and the shaft (inside the spindle).

The spindle bearing is on the inside/backside of the hub/spindle assembly. It supports the CV-shaft (or drive-shaft if you use the FSM lingo), between the splines in the hub's drive flange and the outer CV joint. Thing is that there is a little clearance between the shaft and the hub (in the splines), and that little "give" is supported/stabilized by the spindle bearing.

Since the clearance in the splines is so small, it is difficult to feel that the bearing is loose by moving the shaft sideways. Additionally, there is a brass washer next to the needle spindle-bearing which also supports the shaft if the needles are gone.

So, I thought I could sense slightly more lateral movement in the lhs shaft than the right; and there was a "dirtier" sound. I therefore removed the hub C-clip and one ball-joint, and swung the whole hub/spindle assembly out, off the CV-shaft.

The whole bearing was disintegrated. Only small fragments of the needles were left. Now, this bearing was not in stock locally, not in Europe at all. Took something like 3 weeks to get a new one from JP. (This was one year ago. Found it in stock in oz, but was promised shorter delivery time by stealer at first, so didn't order from down under) (Found the make and size of the bearing, and looked it up in the manufacturer's catalog, but was told by national representative that this item was only made by special order from TMC, and not sold through other channels)

Because the needles where gone, the shaft was badly scored and worn. So I had to change the CV shaft as well. Luckily had one from my 2000. Took the opportunity to change the boots as well.

LHS good as new:):cheers:
 
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Thanks but geez, understanding human anatomy would be easier.

Any photos of these assemblies?
 
See illus.
The Spindle is a part of the Steering Knuckle.
At the bottom is shown the needle bearing, brass bushing and oil seal, at the inside/backside of the knuckle/spindle.
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So in my terms it's the thing that the end of the cv axle pokes through. If worn it will rattle and cause a vibration?

Am I right? That was a guess, but makes sense to me.
 
So in my terms it's the thing that the end of the cv axle pokes through. If worn it will rattle and cause a vibration?

Am I right? That was a guess, but makes sense to me.
"Very well hit, sir. Very well hit." (from Mary Poppins)
Makes sense to me too.
 
BTW that needle bearing is easily missed apart of overhauling/lubing the front hub bearings. And yes it will make noise if left to go dry. If its so far gone...as in worn out...most likely due to zero lubrication you'd be hearing it along with (possibly) feeling any vibration associated with its demise. FWIW I'm at ~185k miles and still on the original needle bearings.
 
Do you guys think it's probable that my new CV shafts are damaged from my old needle bearings?
 

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