CCOT rear wheel cylinders-different than OEM, are they good?

[brider]

Looking for rear wheel cylinders for my Dec '70-build FJ55, and they appear to be un-obtainable.

Cylinders up to 7-70 are listed, as well as those '71-on. So what's so special about my Dec '70 cylinders?

Anyway, reading in the CCOT website, they make their OWN rear cylinders, but they are a single-piston design, although larger diameter, as opposed to the OEM dual-piston design. They claim that owners say they provide better braking that the OEM dual-piston.

Can anybody verify this? I thought the dual-piston design was essential to get the full contact pressure over the entire shoe?

But why, then, are the front OEM shoes single-piston?

Could the wheel cylinder fiasco get any more complicated?

No, I am NOT going to discs anytime soon. Way too many other things to finish on this rig before that.

 

[dgangle]

Getting the correct rear drum brake cyclinders can be a fiasco. I put the CCoT crap in the same category as JTO. There have been recent threads on the difficulty bleeding the CCoT stuff. If you gotta stay drum, see CDan or other Mud/TLCA-friendly vendors for OE parts.

OR........
Be disc and be done with it. Less money, less dicking around and very straightforward. Everything but the brakets can be bought in Anytown, USA. Get the drums (with centers opened up) and brackets from Poser or others here.

 

[calixto]

I got the CCCOT kit with 8 new cylinders, springs, shoes and master cylinder a while back for my 73 and had nothing but problems. The brake shop couldn't use 5 of the wheel cylinders and the master is wrong. Got my money back from CCOT for the wheel cylinders but not the master.....I might have a different year booster, NS. It also took the brake company a loooooonng time to get them properly adjusted. I needed another tweaking less than two weeks after the job was done, I just haven't had the time to go back in yet. All that work came out to just over $400 plus the parts I brought in. Most of the places I talked to wouldn't put on customer parts or charge more for doing so. In short I wouldn't deal with them. I've also had minor issues with the shoulder belts I got from them locking up occasionally.

 

[dgangle]

... I've also had minor issues with the shoulder belts I got from them locking up occasionally.

Not to change the subject but the shoulder belts I bought from them have done this for the last 8 years...a real PIA. When I asked them about it they said they shouldn't be doing that and that they had never had anyone else report the problem either.

I cuss them everytime I drive my 40 and they lock up. Lemme know if you find a solution. And their weatherstrip fits like feces.

See a pattern here, Brider?

 

[Fast Eddy]

I'd say OEM, or disc conversion. Anything in between makes little sense.

 

[calixto]

Sorry to hijack again. DGangle. Mine haven't locked up too many times but at least I have something to look forward to . I also had a problem in that the section of the belt between the floor roller mount and the top roll bar mount was too long. If I had installed the belts so this section was taut the belt would have been running down the side of my neck. So basically I have a decent amount of slack in my belts in this area and I have to keep the passenger side belt strapped down to keep it from flapping in the wind.

 

[brider]

I am now considering disc rear BEFORE I do disc front. Thanks, all.

 

[Cruiserdrew]

Anyway, reading in the CCOT website, they make their OWN rear cylinders, but they are a single-piston design, although larger diameter, as opposed to the OEM dual-piston design. They claim that owners say they provide better braking that the OEM dual-piston.

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And, they have a bridge to sell you as well.

What a joke. They make their own wheel cylinders??? Show me the factory(it's in China or Taiwan and not theirs).

Generally, IMHO, they are a vendor of second rate parts. The factory wheel cylinders are not that expensive and last for 30 years. I say avoid the CCoT stuff and stick with OEM.

 

[kissmyaxle]

I have ordered multiple sets from CCOT for different year models. They say they are universal but some didnt universe. Its a toss up from my experience anyway.

 

[calixto]

They are from Taiwan, it is printed on the side of the box.

 

[wdFJ40]

Anybody use Cruiser Outfitters wheel cylinders? They the same as CCOT?

 

[Cruiserdrew]

Anybody use Cruiser Outfitters wheel cylinders? They the same as CCOT?

Don't know, but unlike CCoT, I've been 100% satisfied with the quality of stuff I've received from Cruiser Outfitters. Kurt tends to have Japanese made parts, usually by the vendor that made the part originally for Toyota. You can order there with confidence.

 

[Trollhole]

I have CCOT wheel cylinders on my 75 Fj55. No problems with them. They don't come painted and need a little prep on the boots so they last but they bleed fine and adjust correctly. My problem was with the brake master. What a piece of crap. It never bled. Always had air. I worked on it for a week straight and never got it to work. I called them and they stated they had never heard of the problem. I find that hard to believe. They wouldn't take it back. I bought an Aisin Brake master and never had an issue. Bled the first time and has worked ever since.

I have had good luck with Kurts stuff. ANd if there is an issue you can assure yourself he will take care of you.

http://www.all-foreign.com/ShopByVe...aster+Cylinder@@Brake+Master+Cylinder&mode=PA

 

[MoCoNative]

I got a CCOT Master for my 60 series. First off the plastic reservoir was smaller than OE and the nice cap, with the level sensor would not fit it. So I had to carefully change over the old brittle reservoir from my stock one to make it work. Just over a year later, I decided to rebuild it because of a badly dropping pedal at random times. Internals seemed to be crap, very soft, gooey rubber.

You may try NAPA, at least you can look at the part and tell them to send it back at the counter if the cylinders are not correct. They may even warranty them, and will be okay priced. Seems like we got cylinders there years ago, but I can't remember.

 

[Dusty 66]

I Used CCOT Wheel cylinders with no Issues fit and bled fine, I used am OEM master

 

[7mag]

I used the wheel cylinder and master aslo. Wheel cylinders turned out ok but the master lasted 9 months before taking a crap. Replaced it wih OEM and no problems since. Would recommend a different path if doing it all over again.

 

[Crazy Train]

CCOT MC and brake Cylinders

I just "finished" a front axle rebuild and brake system rebuild on my 72FJ. The axle was over my head because I am a newbie and not much of a mechanic. It started with the outer hub nut which I could not figure out how to get it off. It looked like someone had pounded on it with a screwdriver and hammer. Sent a pic off to CCOT and they kind of mumbled it should just come right off. Turns out it has 3 very tiny allen screws around the ring which were masked in grease. Backed those out and all was well. The rest was a mess but went well due to the great information on this site. Passenger side still had grease, driver side was just 90 weight oil. Have since replaced the axle seals.
As for the brakes.... Got a master cylinder, 8 wheel cylinders, pads and springs from CCOT. Two of the cylinders had the wrong pistons in them. IE both ends had skinny slots. Took two of the wider slots off my old cylinders and threaded them in. Mounted the new MC and bench bled it with tubes feeding back into each cylinder. Got all the air out we could. Replaced front right brake line with braided SS from Skyjackers suspension.
Have now been around the rig 6 times bleeding. LR,RR,RF and LF trying to go from farthest to closest. Peddle is still a Sponge Bob episode. Can pump it up enough to get the brakes to hold but pedal is esentially mush. Limped her back into the garage, snow coming. I adjusted all of the shoes by getting them in contact with drum and then backing off a click or two. Drums have all been turned. one had to be replaced. No Roundo.
Any ideas on how to get Sponge Bob out of my rig??

 

[Trollhole]

I just "finished" a front axle rebuild and brake system rebuild on my 72FJ. The axle was over my head because I am a newbie and not much of a mechanic. It started with the outer hub nut which I could not figure out how to get it off. It looked like someone had pounded on it with a screwdriver and hammer. Sent a pic off to CCOT and they kind of mumbled it should just come right off. Turns out it has 3 very tiny allen screws around the ring which were masked in grease. Backed those out and all was well. The rest was a mess but went well due to the great information on this site. Passenger side still had grease, driver side was just 90 weight oil. Have since replaced the axle seals.
As for the brakes.... Got a master cylinder, 8 wheel cylinders, pads and springs from CCOT. Two of the cylinders had the wrong pistons in them. IE both ends had skinny slots. Took two of the wider slots off my old cylinders and threaded them in. Mounted the new MC and bench bled it with tubes feeding back into each cylinder. Got all the air out we could. Replaced front right brake line with braided SS from Skyjackers suspension.
Have now been around the rig 6 times bleeding. LR,RR,RF and LF trying to go from farthest to closest. Peddle is still a Sponge Bob episode. Can pump it up enough to get the brakes to hold but pedal is esentially mush. Limped her back into the garage, snow coming. I adjusted all of the shoes by getting them in contact with drum and then backing off a click or two. Drums have all been turned. one had to be replaced. No Roundo.
Any ideas on how to get Sponge Bob out of my rig??

Get a new brake master. The CCOT ones have issues.

 

[Pin_Head]

Any ideas on how to get Sponge Bob out of my rig??

Get him a TV contract?

Seriously, you need to adjust the brakes properly first.

You tighten them until the wheel doesn't turn and then back off 2-3 clicks.

 

[Pighead]

Originally Posted by Pighead
Buying anything from CCOT is a crapshoot...

As Pighead was just saying, down in the 55 forum...Don't use CCOT parts in important systems (like brakes and steering). If you want a sun visor or a crappy center console, give them a call. We have plenty of first-rate vendors on 'Mud who know what they're selling, can get you the correct, quality, part for a fair price.
IMNSHO, CCOT would have to improve greatly to make it to third-rate.