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If you're wives, or yourselves, have even had a "pedi" (short for pedicure) from a similar salon to the 8,000 in the Tulsa metro area, the humor is evident.

If not, doesn't matter.

I talk(type) too much, therefore I overwhelm threads and the potential responses, never really getting the answers, input, opinions that I'm seeking, so going about this differently.

I'm trying to determine the best coatings, processes, colorations for the 76, beginning with mechanical, engine and peripherals to, and this is my effort to simply the responses I seek, again, since I'm verbose.

You're opinions, experiences, recommendations are instrumental in the determination process, and I appreciate all.
 
Power Steering Gearbox.

Paint or powder coat?
Powder coat would be best, but would necessitate a complete disassemble. Next would be something like PPG DP90LF top coated with a single stage ureathane in semi-gloss black. I'm recommending both of these as good options for your '72 resto, I'd say primer and Krylon rust-tough enamel in semi-gloss black for the '76.

Tucker
 
Manifolds and exhaust manifold heat shield?



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If disassembly/rebuild were already planned, would that change your recommendation on PC for the 76?
Nothing wrong with powder, just be sure you tape off all the machined surfaces ;)

Manifolds and exhaust manifold heat shield?
Intake manifold raw aluminum or clear powder, exhaust manifold hi-temp paint or ceramic coating.

Tucker
 
Nothing wrong with powder, just be sure you tape off all the machined surfaces ;)

Thanks. Trying to maintain a consistency amongst coatings, as ludicrous as that sounds.

Intake manifold raw aluminum or clear powder, exhaust manifold hi-temp paint or ceramic coating.

Questions

Why not coat the intake with ceramic?

The valve cover would seem to be another high temp component, more so than even the head, so should it be treated as such, possibly coating with the same process as the manifolds?

No need to tell me I'm crazy....

Jet Hot for manifolds, valve cover, coolant tubes, thermostat housing?


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Chris,

I had two exhaust manifolds creamic coated, before I bought the headers and they ran @ $125. What's nice, other than the pretty coating, is they reduce the heat to the surrounding areas. Might not be good on the valve cover, would the powder hold in the heat?

As far as the other pieces, you are right, don't bounce around with different coatings. Pick one and stay with it. The frame will need something different than the motor, etc.

I did powder coat a few things and will use that again, but most brackets, components, etc., I spray bombed. Pick one brand paint and type, semi gloss or gloss and stay with it.

It seems too hard to mix up some two part urethane and get out the spray gun, just to paint a bracket you made. That would be fine for the 72, where you'll have alot of stock parts to paint at one time and you want the best possible.

For the 76, where you might be changing and modifing, I would spray bomb the small stuff.

Now who's talking too much! :)
 
What's nice, other than the pretty coating, is they reduce the heat to the surrounding areas. Might not be good on the valve cover, would the powder hold in the heat?

My experience with ceramic coating is limited to quad exhausts and the results were mixed, but in fairness, I don't believe that ceramic coating is meant to be continually sand blasted and when the exhaust is a mere inch from your leg, a 20% reduction in temps is similar to turning down the heat from boiling to simmer....still hot, hot.

Honestly hadn't considered ceramic for the valve cover until reading a bit about. Thinking it's mostly for the bling factor, and don't know much about heat retention, though that makes sense.

In a conversation with Micheal at ACC regarding coatings and paint, he eluded to the head not being as much high temp concern as the valve cover, yet I noticed the PC valves covers, so not certain which is better from a heat dissipation, longevity of coating, or blinginess. Haha.

As far as the other pieces, you are right, don't bounce around with different coatings. Pick one and stay with it.

I'm honestly already planning to overdo the 76, so has to be consideration given to it holistically.

I read about PCs performance, yet haven't had the same great success, but probably the platforms I've utilized on.

On the engine components that can be PCd, I'd honestly like to box all up and send to someone familiar with what to, and what not to coat, like ACC, as their prices are much more reasonable, plus they know what they're doing.

On the head, I want it to be Freeborn Red. Not sure how to attain in a near match to the body, or close enough no one could tell it wasn't exact. She's gonna be a red head. May be divorced because of that, but another story for another day.

The frame will need something different than the motor, etc.

I'm thinking long and hard about frame, axles, driveshafts, etc. The issue will be logistics and timing. The axles and all else will, more than likely, be done in advance of the frame, so not certain what makes sense.

I'd like to do it once for the long haul, and if I can avoid adding another vehicle frame/axles to the line up of those I clean and rattle can every few months, I'll gladly do it right, now.

It's time to begin making the decisions, yet I'm still unclear overall, so focusing on the engine, since the first that'll be critical.

I did powder coat a few things and will use that again, but most brackets, components, etc., I spray bombed. Pick one brand paint and type, semi gloss or gloss and stay with it.

Anything special about the bomb type?

It seems too hard to mix up some two part urethane and get out the spray gun, just to paint a bracket you made. That would be fine for the 72, where you'll have alot of stock parts to paint at one time and you want the best possible.

If I can, going to coat every piece of a type/coating simultaneously, and what I'm trying to determine here.

Believe it or not, I have most all the peripherals to the 2F, apart from the block, valve cover, whatever air cleaner, on hand or on the way and not what's currently in the engine bay, so in the position I wanted to be to pre-coat....just can't decide with what.

For now, I'm trying to determine:

Manifolds and heat shields
Coolant passage hard lines
Thermostat housing
Valve cover
Dented side cover
Timing cover
Oil pan
Pulley
Oil Cooler

Anything the attaches to the block, directly, or necessary to build engine, PCd or ceramic.

Freeborn reddish head paint to send with head.

Block paint to send with block.

For the 76, where you might be changing and modifing, I would spray bomb the small stuff.

Hopefully can choose something that can be consistently replicated, so once figured out, can send all to same coater for same results.

Now who's talking too much! :)

Hey, now....

I realize that my three page dissertations with questions imbedded are probably why some questions weren't ever even answered.

I will change my ways on asking...try to minimize my replies.
 
When I need to paint a bracket and it's holding me up, I grab the Rust-oleum. It's not high tech, but always works and I always have it on hand.

I'm just having fun with you and do try to make it through all your postings, but I have been accused of a short attention span. :)
 
I'm just having fun with you and do try to make it through all your postings, but I have been accused of a short attention span. :)

If we ain't having fun, what's the point?

I did try to maintain the readers attention in the 80 forum by posting pics of nothing but goodness :) , all clean, of course, but my threads were deleted and the threat of a ban imposed.

nuclearlemon probably wouldn't threaten.....just ban, so I won't attempt similar here. Hahaha.

I said I'd keep the questions short, nothing about the replies, so hope to maintain.

Going to submit a quote request to Jet Hot on the exhaust manifold. Based on the reply, will research local ceramic options.

I'm a little concerned about the down pipe and how close it will be to the firewall, so anticipate ceramic for it, too..,.once fabbed since the 70 series I bought with manifolds had absolutely no chance of working

Reading about the benefits of Jet Hot, assuming the process is proprietary and not a run of the mill ceramic, it sounds like there are benefits beyond ceramic in the duration department, but if it costs more than the manifolds I may be out.

Also, going to call Micheal at ACC and question PC again. I have it in my head that blasted, base, and top coat was $25-35 per part. I can't blast and rattle can for that (exaggeration, but it's a good price, compared to local)

Questions coming next box.
 
I regret that I don't have anything awesome to contribute to this thread. However I'm interested to see what answers are given cause this is the very thing I've been struggling with on our new build.

Did I understand one of your responses right where you said you don't wanna rattle can every few months? If it's done right I would think it would hold up for the long haul. Powder coating gets expensive fast and more relevant doesn't like harsh chemicals (engine degreaser, brake fluid, etc.) so I wonder if powder coating stuff in the engine bay is the best idea?

-Daniel Kent
 
I would not want to take apart a new case, to paint it. Mine came with a pretty good paint job on it, but not sure how long it will last when it gets on the road.
 
I would not want to take apart a new case, to paint it. Mine came with a pretty good paint job on it, but not sure how long it will last when it gets on the road.
X2 - but yes it would need to be completely dissasymboled. Just FYI, parts I blasted and primed/painted well on my 40 are still holding up well 10 years later ;). I never babied that truck either, paint is great on bumpers and sliders since you can touch it up. I always go with Krylon Rust Tough Enamel in semi gloss black ...

Tucker
 
Did I understand one of your responses right where you said you don't wanna rattle can every few months?

Primarily, my statements regarding rattle can maintenance are on the 80 and FJC frame, under carriage, and axles....mostly the 80 since the FJC doesn't get wheeled anymore.

Think classic Cruisers frames rust badly?

Poke your head under a brand spanking new FJC. The port installed rust on even those we see in OK is concerning, since the oldest of them is 7 years.

Mine lived in Tulsa it's entire life and we may have two snow events that are street treated for a year, yet the underside looked like 80s I've seen from the NE, so it's an arduous process to decelerate the corrosion, and every few months, or when I'm changing fluids, will wipe down what's already been treated, for reapplication.

I regretted not tearing the 80 to the frame, even though it wasn't in bad shape, but know the day will come to "do it right".

Considering my heirs will be tasked with the future of all my "builds", want to make sure that I do it for the absolute last time on the Pig in discussion, as well the 72, when it's time comes..but unsure how to achieve.

If it's done right I would think it would hold up for the long haul.

For this purpose, using an complete F air cleaner and mounting bracket as an example.

I researched 202 and bought the highest quality PPG match to it, along with a self etching primer stated to be part one of the system, none being cheap. Keys assume that I have $15 in paint for one air cleaner, as I'm embarrassed to say what it really cost.

Paid to have several parts glass blasted after correcting a few pinholes and such, but associating a $20 charge for just to cleaner housing and lid, another $5 for the bracket.

Took several hours to do two complete assemblies over the course of a couple of days, and time is money, but we'll assume $5 labor, for S&GS.

Pretty much, the math pita this at $50, but it turned out looking like crap and I spent all kinds of time and researched methods and processes to the nth degree. Not sure what went wrong, but was so ashamed of the finished product I almost wanted to send money with it, to the person I have it away to, to fix it.

Why I'm concerned about "in house" painting.

I talked to a buddy that owns the body shop that Lexus, Mercedes, BMW dealers use (he's a buff now, cause Mrs. Delancy needs spotters in the mall parking lot. We know each other too well, due to.) about painting and he said he couldn't touch for much below a $35 per part charge, if I brought all blasted and ready at one time, ready to load and shoot two part in a short day for his spray booth.

Surely not indicative of all, but at the rates bandied around, I don't have issue outsourcing to ensure a quality finish that I may not be capable of providing.

Oddly, the restorer handling the 72 body work said to PC, unless it was going to be sitting on mirrors, almost as of it were the lesser of two finishes.

Powder coating gets expensive fast and more relevant doesn't like harsh chemicals (engine degreaser, brake fluid, etc.)

My concern, too, but seems like PC is the choice of most of Mud, and the results are awesome, but I've always been told that PC and hydro fluid don't mix.

so I wonder if powder coating stuff in the engine bay is the best idea?

Wish someone could offer long term, like on Big Gay or similar.

I've never had great success with any coating, in all honesty, even PC over galvanized, all done to combat the corrosive environment that a commercial indoor pool is capable of creating.

Within a year, the PC yellowed and every galvanized bolt began to rust from condensate.

I'm apprehensive, but basing the consideration on what's been posted on Mud.
 
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