Yet Another SBC TBI into an FJ62...
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update w/ pictures!
Well, we got started...motor and trans came out pretty clean. We'll be pulling the trans and transfer case apart today and get the adapter assembled. The cruiser is parked outside so i can clean the engine compartment.
my poor dad...it's a good thing HE knows what he is doing!
the flex-a-lite fan i purchased turned out to be too tall for the toyota radiator so i went and bought a ford contour fan ('95 with a V6) and it seems to fit perfect! also the VSS from Jags that Run arrived and it LOOKS like it will do the trick. i'm still waiting on the rear cross memeber mount to arrive but may use the old one for the time being.
Another question: we've measured the engine-trans-adapter-t/c set up on both the toyota OEM and the new set up 350TBI-700R4-AA-split case and the "new" GM set up come up 3" shorter than the toyota. this leads me to think that the stock crossmember in the stock location will work just fine...is this correct!? if so, that would be a huge time and money savings...
thanks ahead for any replies, and all input is appreciated.
Well, we got started...motor and trans came out pretty clean. We'll be pulling the trans and transfer case apart today and get the adapter assembled. The cruiser is parked outside so i can clean the engine compartment.
my poor dad...it's a good thing HE knows what he is doing!
the flex-a-lite fan i purchased turned out to be too tall for the toyota radiator so i went and bought a ford contour fan ('95 with a V6) and it seems to fit perfect! also the VSS from Jags that Run arrived and it LOOKS like it will do the trick. i'm still waiting on the rear cross memeber mount to arrive but may use the old one for the time being.
Another question: we've measured the engine-trans-adapter-t/c set up on both the toyota OEM and the new set up 350TBI-700R4-AA-split case and the "new" GM set up come up 3" shorter than the toyota. this leads me to think that the stock crossmember in the stock location will work just fine...is this correct!? if so, that would be a huge time and money savings...
thanks ahead for any replies, and all input is appreciated.
torfab
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The stock crossmember might work, but every time I've done this I made a new one due to the trans mount being further forward on the 700r4 than the stock toyota system
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so the adapter from AA has the mounting holes for the stock toyota mount...could that be the difference?
our plan at this point is to attach a new rubber mount (toyota OEM) to the stock crossmember, all underneath the adapter and mounted in the stock location on the frame. this will locate the entire assembly including the motor mounts...
torfab
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Sorry, I was thinking about a different transmission all together. The 700R4 adapter is different and might be able to go in the stock location. You'll need to move the rear heater lines over a little to clear the block or exhaust manifolds depending on your setup.
It sounds like you're on the right track
It sounds like you're on the right track
You may be able to do it with the electric fans but it will be tight up there. Mine with pretty much the same setup tbi350 4l60e AA adapter to split case puts the cross member about 6" farther back than the stock location. I am running a mechanical fan and it clears the rad by 1"
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i think the reason for the difference in lengths of drivetrain units is due to the difference between the auto trans and the 4 speed manual trans.
350tbi-700r4-aa-toyota split t/c = 58"
3FE-A440F-Toyota Adapter to toyota split t/c = 62"
from our calculations, we have an extra 4" up front. also the contour fan set up is only about 4" deep...
i'm waiting to hear back from AA about the mounts. i think the FJ62 mount bolt pattern is not as wide as the FJ60...it doesn't look like it will match up to the mount holes on the adapter from AA.
edit: that's the rear crossmember mount i'm speaking of...
i'm also running down to harbor freight for a 36mm socket for the main shaft on the t/c
350tbi-700r4-aa-toyota split t/c = 58"
3FE-A440F-Toyota Adapter to toyota split t/c = 62"
from our calculations, we have an extra 4" up front. also the contour fan set up is only about 4" deep...
i'm waiting to hear back from AA about the mounts. i think the FJ62 mount bolt pattern is not as wide as the FJ60...it doesn't look like it will match up to the mount holes on the adapter from AA.
edit: that's the rear crossmember mount i'm speaking of...
i'm also running down to harbor freight for a 36mm socket for the main shaft on the t/c
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do i smell bad or something?
ntsqd
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not from here 
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if you have a choice I would try and give as much clearnace between the radiator core and the front of the engine. I would set the engine back as far as reasonablly possible while allowing some clearnace at the firewall. THe will allow you to have a litte more room for cooling solutions (radiator fan setup etc).
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update: day 4
well, here has been our time frame so far...
day 1: assembled the new motor and accessories, took inventory of parts and pieces. began pulling exhaust, front end and radiator...
day 2: pulled the 3FE, A440F transmission and t/c. began disassembly of t/c.
day 3: assembled AA adapter to 700R4 transmission and began rebuild of t/c.
day 4: today we ran into a gremlin...while removing the race on the exterior bearing of the main output shaft the machine shop discovered a shim which had been pretty torn up after 260k miles (see pictures below)...they pressed the new bearings on the gear shaft and we took the outer cover (that holds the shim and race) home and will finish it there. luckily, SOR had the shim set in stock...the toyota dealer couldn't come up with them. they should be here thursday (knock on wood!) in the meantime i think we will be able to continue assembly on the t/c and hopefully put the whole drive train together tomorrow and maybe get in a test fit?
another major issue we ran in to: Advanced Adapter's tells you to use the original crossmember mount from toyota for the transfer case...well, the FJ62 rear crossmember mount looks identical in pictures on line but it turns out to be signicantly smaller both in stud width and the mounting whole dimensions...so i had to order the FJ60 mount which should be here tomorrow...when i get both mounts i'll take a picture to show the difference.
AA did not seem to be aware of this discrepancy.
well, here has been our time frame so far...
day 1: assembled the new motor and accessories, took inventory of parts and pieces. began pulling exhaust, front end and radiator...
day 2: pulled the 3FE, A440F transmission and t/c. began disassembly of t/c.
day 3: assembled AA adapter to 700R4 transmission and began rebuild of t/c.
day 4: today we ran into a gremlin...while removing the race on the exterior bearing of the main output shaft the machine shop discovered a shim which had been pretty torn up after 260k miles (see pictures below)...they pressed the new bearings on the gear shaft and we took the outer cover (that holds the shim and race) home and will finish it there. luckily, SOR had the shim set in stock...the toyota dealer couldn't come up with them. they should be here thursday (knock on wood!) in the meantime i think we will be able to continue assembly on the t/c and hopefully put the whole drive train together tomorrow and maybe get in a test fit?
another major issue we ran in to: Advanced Adapter's tells you to use the original crossmember mount from toyota for the transfer case...well, the FJ62 rear crossmember mount looks identical in pictures on line but it turns out to be signicantly smaller both in stud width and the mounting whole dimensions...so i had to order the FJ60 mount which should be here tomorrow...when i get both mounts i'll take a picture to show the difference.
AA did not seem to be aware of this discrepancy.
torfab
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Sounds like you guys are making great progress. After the engine gets installed is where the fun part starts.
I don't know if the 60 cross-member is the same width as the 62, did you verify that? The 60 is further forward meaning it is at a narrower section of the frame. If the location is the same, you could always re-drill the mounting holes on the 62 mount and reinforce for the lost steel.
I don't know if the 60 cross-member is the same width as the 62, did you verify that? The 60 is further forward meaning it is at a narrower section of the frame. If the location is the same, you could always re-drill the mounting holes on the 62 mount and reinforce for the lost steel.
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would anyone happen to have torque specs on the bolts around the outside perimeter of the split case???
also: the large nut that is on the end of the tail shaft of the transfer case that would be connected to the spud shaft? (not the ones on the companion flange's).
thanks!
also: the large nut that is on the end of the tail shaft of the transfer case that would be connected to the spud shaft? (not the ones on the companion flange's).
thanks!
Looking good. Not sure what the actual torque specs are but I ran mine to 32 ft/lb on transfer case and "air impact" on the big nuts.
What do you plan on doing for motor mounts frame side?
clint
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yeah, we ended up going 30ft/lbs on the perimeter bolts and 95ft/lbs on the spud shaft...per AA's specs (although the spec. seems to be in fine print on the instruction sheet) but we staked the nut on before we threaded it to lock it in to place.
-and i bought the AA motor mounts as well... i'll get a picture of the complete motor assembly tomorrow with motor mounts, exhaust and the lokar flexible dipstick.
we are ready to begin going back in with the "new" stuff tomorrow!!!
summit and jegs sells what you need for the vss, http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SMP-SC32/ i dont know if thats the one you need but they have others
nice! you are making quick work on this! Just be careful if you are using the flimsy "L" shaped motor mount brackets as they will bend easily and if you weld them eventually crack the frame where you weld. Take a look at what "ntsq" has made in his thread. They are stout and spread the weight over a wider area.
clint
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we just ran in to the rear cross member and t/c mount issue...ugh.
any pictures of crossmember mounts or ideas would be appreciated...i'm searching the website now.
any pictures of crossmember mounts or ideas would be appreciated...i'm searching the website now.
ntsqd
technerd
The best picture of what I built for the trans cross-member, note that I am not using the stock t/c:
Later picture shows it complete, but less detail:
Later picture shows it complete, but less detail:
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thanks ntsqd...
i THINK we got it figured out...
we're going to run 1X2 inch square stock underneath the sides of the stock crossmember...
motor is on the hoist and bolted to the trans-t/c which is bolted to the rear crossmember...i think a one inch spacer is going to set everything in place...
I'M PUMPED!!!
i THINK we got it figured out...
we're going to run 1X2 inch square stock underneath the sides of the stock crossmember...
motor is on the hoist and bolted to the trans-t/c which is bolted to the rear crossmember...i think a one inch spacer is going to set everything in place...
I'M PUMPED!!!
