That is just plain sexy....
ARCHIVE Wits' End Turbo Test Mule #3- no cartwheeling allowed
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NLXTACY
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Oooooooh snap! All I need is my boost switch to arrive and the “mostly bolt-on” meth injection kit for us boosted 1FZ folks will be ready to go.
Im using Snow Performance on the pump and critical bits. All of the hoses will be PTFE/stainless braided with a black coating. Cannot wait to play with this!
Im using Snow Performance on the pump and critical bits. All of the hoses will be PTFE/stainless braided with a black coating. Cannot wait to play with this!
After reading this thread I think I’m just going to burn my 80 and never own a car older than 3 years again.....make that 12 month.
What’s next? Replace all bolts with titanium bolts and all panels with custom carbon fiber panels that’s custom painted? Carbon valve cover and air can surely are on your list of to do. Full grain Napa Italian leather interior with custom engraved cabinets, brandy tumblers and shotguns?
What’s next? Replace all bolts with titanium bolts and all panels with custom carbon fiber panels that’s custom painted? Carbon valve cover and air can surely are on your list of to do. Full grain Napa Italian leather interior with custom engraved cabinets, brandy tumblers and shotguns?
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I'll take your donated 80. Drop it at my shop, I'll PM you my address.
iptman
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This is such a great idea. Is that a an OEM high pressure hose or is that an aftermarket unit? Are you talking weeks or months on this kit's availability?
Make sure to include an Ingersoll Rand impact and 15/16 open wrench or a Saws All to deal with the high pressure banjo fitting and high pressure hose challenge. Maybe throw in a calming tea (chamomile maybe) and a soothing audio tape to reduce stress during the swap.I’m just going to use the Gates. No one has ever complained about it so at only 10% the cost of OEM, I’m going to rock it.
As to the kit...days maybe. I’ve already started ordering the mounting hardware and drill and taps
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jjdeneen918
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a Joey Bolt-on Turbo Kit, & related ancillary turbo goodies, build thread.
Don’t want to take this too far off topic, but can we get a brief “what is so awesome about meth injection with turbos”, does it help N/A cruisers, what it does?
I’m sure to been discussed already, but just to keep everything consolidated.
Not that I’m not already sold,just helpful info.
(Joey, send me an invoice, put me on the list, I want to be at the front of the line).
Don’t want to take this too far off topic, but can we get a brief “what is so awesome about meth injection with turbos”, does it help N/A cruisers, what it does?
I’m sure to been discussed already, but just to keep everything consolidated.
Not that I’m not already sold,just helpful info.
(Joey, send me an invoice, put me on the list, I want to be at the front of the line).
NLXTACY
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Make sure to include an Ingersoll Rand impact and 15/16 open wrench or a Saws All to deal with the high pressure banjo fitting and high pressure hose challenge. Maybe throw in a calming tea (chamomile maybe) and a soothing audio tape to reduce stress during the swap.
Yeah that stupid high pressure banjo was the only frustration out of the entire thing. But so satisfying once it breaks loose.
Speaking of which I should probably order a new banjo bolt
*** Reposted from my build thread***
Ok since this is the tech section and because I am getting quite a few PM's asking, "why in the world I would spray water into my engine?" "I am going to hydrolock my motor" "I have always heard if you get water in your motor you can ruin it" I thought I might try and explain a little better or in detail how or what water/meth injection is.
So the first and biggest elephant is getting water in the engine.
-When you are doing water/meth injection you are using a very high pressure pump (for me 220psi) and a spray nozzle that atomizes to a very fine particle size. When that water mist hits the hot, fast moving air it flash evaporates. You basically have a very humid air just like you might see in Florida after a rain. You do not have large amounts of liquid water entering the engine.
Second big question, why?
- 2 Reasons
1. When you inject the water mist and it changes states from liquid to water vapor it requires quite a lot of energy. This is called the Enthalpy of Vaporization. For water to change from liquid to a gas there is a requirement of 2,260,000J/kg.
This converts to 1020 BTU's per 1lb of water.
A BTU can cool 1lb of water 1 degree Fahrenheit
So you can see that there is a lot of capacity in water injection as an intercooler. This energy comes directly out of the heat in the air in the intake making it cool and dense.
2. The second reason to inject water/meth is the methanol component. While methanol also has some of the cooling properties of water, methanol's Enthalpy of Vaporization is less than half that of water's, the benefit of the methanol is that it is a high octane fuel additive. Pure methanol has an octane rating of 113. Making 91 or 93 seem quite pedestrian. When you are doing a forced induction(FI) setup controlling the combustion time becomes critical. The higher combustion chamber pressures and hotter intake air temps make FI very prone to (preignition/knock/detonation). This can be catastrophic to an engine, reducing the air temps as well as increasing the octane rating gives you great protection.
Ok but why windshield washer fluid?
- Windshield washer fluid is most often around a 70/30 mix of water and methanol. It is relatively cheap, it is easy to find at just about any gas station or auto parts store, it resists freezing because of the methanol content. Really it is kind of the perfect packaging for not only cleaning windows but forced inducted motors too lol. You could spend a lot more on expensive brand names like "Boost Juice" which are nothing more than 51/49 water to methanol but is $9/gal.
Ok since this is the tech section and because I am getting quite a few PM's asking, "why in the world I would spray water into my engine?" "I am going to hydrolock my motor" "I have always heard if you get water in your motor you can ruin it" I thought I might try and explain a little better or in detail how or what water/meth injection is.
So the first and biggest elephant is getting water in the engine.
-When you are doing water/meth injection you are using a very high pressure pump (for me 220psi) and a spray nozzle that atomizes to a very fine particle size. When that water mist hits the hot, fast moving air it flash evaporates. You basically have a very humid air just like you might see in Florida after a rain. You do not have large amounts of liquid water entering the engine.
Second big question, why?
- 2 Reasons
1. When you inject the water mist and it changes states from liquid to water vapor it requires quite a lot of energy. This is called the Enthalpy of Vaporization. For water to change from liquid to a gas there is a requirement of 2,260,000J/kg.
This converts to 1020 BTU's per 1lb of water.
A BTU can cool 1lb of water 1 degree Fahrenheit
So you can see that there is a lot of capacity in water injection as an intercooler. This energy comes directly out of the heat in the air in the intake making it cool and dense.
2. The second reason to inject water/meth is the methanol component. While methanol also has some of the cooling properties of water, methanol's Enthalpy of Vaporization is less than half that of water's, the benefit of the methanol is that it is a high octane fuel additive. Pure methanol has an octane rating of 113. Making 91 or 93 seem quite pedestrian. When you are doing a forced induction(FI) setup controlling the combustion time becomes critical. The higher combustion chamber pressures and hotter intake air temps make FI very prone to (preignition/knock/detonation). This can be catastrophic to an engine, reducing the air temps as well as increasing the octane rating gives you great protection.
Ok but why windshield washer fluid?
- Windshield washer fluid is most often around a 70/30 mix of water and methanol. It is relatively cheap, it is easy to find at just about any gas station or auto parts store, it resists freezing because of the methanol content. Really it is kind of the perfect packaging for not only cleaning windows but forced inducted motors too lol. You could spend a lot more on expensive brand names like "Boost Juice" which are nothing more than 51/49 water to methanol but is $9/gal.
Snow Performance Boost Juice™ 50/50 High Performance Water-Methanol Fluid--48 Boxes (192 Gallons)
The most powerful water methanol injection kits for all forced induction (supercharged/turbocharged), naturally aspirated, and high compression gasoline and diesel engines.
www.snowperformance.net
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a Joey Bolt-on Turbo Kit, & related ancillary turbo goodies, build thread.
Don’t want to take this too far off topic, but can we get a brief “what is so awesome about meth injection with turbos”, does it help N/A cruisers, what it does?
I’m sure to been discussed already, but just to keep everything consolidated.
Not that I’m not already sold,just helpful info.
(Joey, send me an invoice, put me on the list, I want to be at the front of the line).
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Snows makes a great kit - I ran them on both of my built RS6's....... they really help in warmer climates - love that you've pioneered this for the 80..... who'd of thunk !
are you planning to have the fully built truck dyno'ed again ?
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are you planning to have the fully built truck dyno'ed again ?
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When I first heard about meth injection I was reading some history about ww2 high performance prop airplanes. This is how many of them created huge horsepower. So this technology is quite proven and has been around for a long time. Very interesting. Looking forward to seeing your complete results.
Used in piston engine fighters to generate "war emergency power".
jjdeneen918
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Ryan, any benefit for meth injection for the N/A crowd?
No not really. Maybe if you are in the middle east or Arizona but it would be very minor.
Pioneered? No I think that distinction goes to CDan, his truck has been running water/meth injection for a dozen years, back when Joey was asking what scent air fresheners would go best offroad. 
