What's better offroad, 80 series, or 100 series? (2 Viewers)
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OK, I'll offer up some nice trails in Idaho that have never been photographed or driven by either of you before for your contest. Nice neutral unbiased ground. Heck, I haven't even driven these trails yet. And you all can go do Yellowstone together afterwards
"Someone"? No
Almost every new vehicle automaker? Yes, and for a reason.
Somebody invited me to this thread so I had to post something!
OK...I'm out.
Thanks for the invite by the way!
Not the case. New Range Rover has 10.5" front travel which is the same as an 80-series. IT also has 13" in the rear via IRS.
A fine challenge, but still, if you have seen Pete Parks of www.parksoffroad.com take his Tacoma over the Rubicon like I have, multiple times unscathed, there'd be be people who would think a little differently about IFS, or at least the driver skill thing. I personally believe that it is driver skill 95%, the truck 5%. I too saw a guy, Dave from NM, take his open 40 on 33's across Poison Spider at Moab no problem.
But this is 100 vs 80, not 80 vs Tacoma, so all bets may be off.
In the end, WHO THE FAWK cares? I've wheeled with guys at Paragon in stock 1986 IFS 4Runners, a ton of IFS Tacomas, up to Slee's unreal blue SAS 100 at Moab this year and they're all 4WD Toyotas!Get a Toyota, any Toyota that floats your boat, build it up and have a blast with it.
One last thing on a 100. If you have the cash, sure, buy one, build it up and wheel it. You'll have the "unique" and "wow, look at that" factor going for you, too. Send me the build and I'll publish it, even!
Well said. I thought your Mag's IFS article was spot on!
Come on 4Life! The only place TRAC is going to out do triple-locks is on ICE! OK...maybe the rare off-camber climb.
I feel the luv. Thanks!
You should use the rear locker more than you are. It will save your tires and driveline components of un-needed wear and tear.
hehehe...anytime
I will say this. A fully locked 80 trudging through snow will PLOW straight ahead. Not much in the way of turning and I can comfortable say that my wife's 4Runner with A-trac will spank my LC in that condition. But this is an off road comparison and the 4Runner doesn't stand a chance in that environment and while the FJ Cruiser's might have an edge on size that really doesn't point to an ability but more of a fit issue.
This was an interesting 80 vs 100 thread. I just finished it. One last post and I'm out.....
I read two sets of qualifications in your question.
1. Off-road capability is MORE important than on-road ride quality.
2. You ask about 33-inched 2-3" lifted rigs.
Because of those points I have two answers.
1. No question the 80s can out perform the 100s on the tough trails.
2. IF...IF you plan on modding your buy with 33s and only 2-3 inches lift...IF....that will predetermine the trail-types you will run. The extreme to very-difficult ones are out. IF that's the case....IF....the 80 will not offer hardly anything over the 100 on the "runnable" trails. That give the nod to a 100-series overall due to it's other beneifts.
So really, the answer lies with you. If you re-think or re-post and say you'd like 35's and/or taller lifts, etc.....then it's back to the 80-series.
First, I get your point and don't disagree with it outright.
However, on our last trip to Moab we had a locked 80-Series on 33" MTRs and an OME lift. He did Behind the Rocks and didn't take one single bypass. He was winching the unlocked rigs up the harder obstacles. I believe most would agree that BTR is considered a "very difficult" trail.
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Somebody invited me to this thread so I had to post something!
OK...I'm out.
Guilty as charged..
Time to sit back and
....If the IFS thoughts/comments start out-weighting the SFA ones, I might have to butt in with more SFA pros and IFS cons... P.s. I had to keep this universe in perfect harmony, a 100 vs. 80 thread without shotts, could have had devastating effects to our universe and life as we know...
<---- is impressed, Shotts has a level head here so far as compared to what I have seen in the past.
that might be in part do to the fact that he has actually wheeled an 80 now.
I hate to put a final word in here, but I have been back from Moab for about 3 hours now from a trip with fellow lister Adub100. He has an ARB locked front and rear 100 with 315 BFG at's. What a sick truck, and the V8 rocks for road tripping. We did Steel Bender yesterday, with my 80, OME 2.5, 285's, and no front sway. The 80 with the extra articulation just does everything with a little less drama. The 100 did everything, but in a few predictable spots, the IFS held it back and gave it a harder time than the solid 80. Just saw it yesterday, and I know it for sure! Just my .02!
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My ideal setup is OME lift, 35's, and some shorter gears. A few months back, I was in my 80 heading up to weaver lake, in the harrison area (maybe some of you fraser valley guys know where I'm talking about). Just before I entered the main camping area before the lake, I spotted some tire tracks and a small spur off to the right of the main FSR, it looked like a semi challenging FSR, it was obviously deactivated, but looked like some 4wheelers made it through. Anyway, the further I went up there, the more challenging it became, I had heard there was a lake up there, and when I look at the map, it shows there is one. I tackled it, but turned around about halfway up as it was getting late.
Anyway, long story short, I had a wheel in the air a couple times here and there in my 80, and was using both lockers as well, however a rear would have probably made it. Just LOTS of ground clearance, it was very very rocky. After thinking about what everyone has posted, I just don't see a 100 getting very far in there, unless modified moreso than the 80 would have to be, plus the size would be detrimental as it was quite tight in spots. I think I'm convincing myself...
Anyway, long story short, I had a wheel in the air a couple times here and there in my 80, and was using both lockers as well, however a rear would have probably made it. Just LOTS of ground clearance, it was very very rocky. After thinking about what everyone has posted, I just don't see a 100 getting very far in there, unless modified moreso than the 80 would have to be, plus the size would be detrimental as it was quite tight in spots. I think I'm convincing myself...
I have read several comments that IFS is used to improve on road handling and increase sales. Although this may seem like a good theory, the truth is the best selling vehicle this year in the USA is one of the only 3 solid axle production vehicles, the Ford Super Duty at nearly 700,000 units. The numbers speak for themselves. The american consumers still see the SFA's as a streetable vehicles. I don't think everyone is buying these Super Duty's for offroad use only. They purchase them because they out perform there IFS counterparts.
