Value of a pig.

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Values are all over the place these days. The market overall is not strong and consumer confidence is not all that high. But cruisers are a hobby for most on mud. Folks here are not cheap. Some pay rediculous prices while others pay pennies on the dollar. The key is that sellers can list their cruiser in several locations. The choice to sell through mud is up to the seller. People here are fair. I don't think cheap, more like fair.

my 2 cents
 
seems I touched a nerve with my "Mudders are Cheap" line, I thought I put enough smilies in there so it was clear my tongue was firmly planted in my cheek. No offense meant guys.

You find the same basic attitude on any marquee dedicated board, as was said above, those guys KNOW what it will cost to get said vehicle into proper shape and are less swayed by gotta-have-it emotion. Nothing wrong with that.
 
Sporin said:
seems I touched a nerve with my "Mudders are Cheap" line, I thought I put enough smilies in there so it was clear my tongue was firmly planted in my cheek. No offense meant guys.

You find the same basic attitude on any marquee dedicated board, as was said above, those guys KNOW what it will cost to get said vehicle into proper shape and are less swayed by gotta-have-it emotion. Nothing wrong with that.
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I actually have to agree with Sporin. I've tried to sell trucks for less money on MUD and ended up with much more $$$ off of eBay. I think MUD people are far more in tune with the cruiser market than the average eBayer. Most cruisers I've sold are to people that have never heard of MUD. It's not necessarily a question of cheap but you definitely get more $$$$ off eBay than MUD. I always keep a price fair regardless but Mudders have far more info and research at their fingertips regarding conditions and pricing. Not cheap necessarily but savvy I guess???
 
jsaltlick said:
I actually have to agree with Sporin. I've tried to sell trucks for less money on MUD and ended up with much more $$$ off of eBay. I think MUD people are far more in tune with the cruiser market than the average eBayer. Most cruisers I've sold are to people that have never heard of MUD. It's not necessarily a question of cheap but you definitely get more $$$$ off eBay than MUD. I always keep a price fair regardless but Mudders have far more info and research at their fingertips regarding conditions and pricing. Not cheap necessarily but savvy I guess???
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I think this statement is true. In my case, emotion got the best of me and pulled the trigger for more money than I probably should have. You live and you learn... no regrets!
 
I was having this discussion with my friend Ron, riding home from 2 days if 4 wheeling in the fj55 he asks me, "so what's a guy have to give to get a truck like this"
Knowing mine has been a labor of love.
I told him basically that I bought a parts truck, complete but totally rusted for $1000, and that a 100% perfectly restored original sold for 130k.
Running trucks fall along a spectrum of functionality and price, spanning between those 2 numbers.
 
The one that took 130k was done 100% right, old stock or restored original parts, nothing aftermarket. This 300k rig has had all sorts of other stuff stabbed on. I'm convinced that the reason people do this is because they're cheap. Fixing the original stuff requires skilled labor. Skilled labor eats into the profit margin. Paint however, is cheap. Junkyard driveline, also cheap. Nothing here looks particularly nicer or better than the 130k rig. Engine is a junkyard 350 with a auto zine dress up kit, nv4500, 208 transfer case and Dana 60s, probably also krylon overhauled. That driveline package can be bought out of a farmers field for $2500 anywhere in america. Its decidedly not special. You're paying a whole lot of monet to have a Chevy pickup disguised as a toyota but without the reliability... It looks to me like corners were cut to save money and to try and appeal to an audience of monied morons. In my opinion, no modified pig will ever approach the value of a nicely kept original without rust. Good luck getting 300k, fortunately a fool and their money are soon parted.
 
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trainbufftony said:
I'm convinced that the reason people do this is because they're cheap.
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I'm convinced you need to spend some time poking around at some of the build threads down here and come back and convince the rest of us that the guys building Non-OE pigs are the "Cheap" ones.
From my office chair there are some pretty nice pig that have been built in the past and a few currently going that I promise you weren't "Cheap"
 
J Mack said:
I'm convinced you need to spend some time poking around at some of the build threads down here and come back and convince the rest of us that the guys building Non-OE pigs are the "Cheap" ones.
From my office chair there are some pretty nice pig that have been built in the past and a few currently going that I promise you weren't "Cheap"
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I have seen a lot of very expensive garbage work.
I'm not saying that Glen Becks truck is as bad as the worst of them. I've seen how this all works, I've worked in automotive shops and worked on many of these prized custom creations. Not fj55s but fj55s are no different. People dump lots of money into a build that only really appeals to them. The amount they spend is totally detached from reality in terms if what they could sell the rig for. As always I recommend a full inspection, in person, with a competent mechanic, before making an offer. This is being marketed in a way that suggests they dont want you to look at it, just pull out your credit card and buy. Anyone with that kind of REAL dough is going to want to travel to Mormon country to inspect in person and bring along a trusted mechanic and be prepared to play hard ball.
 
trainbufftony said:
The one that took 130k was done 100% right, old stock or restored original parts, nothing aftermarket. This 300k rig has had all sorts of other stuff stabbed on. I'm convinced that the reason people do this is because they're cheap. Fixing the original stuff requires skilled labor. Skilled labor eats into the profit margin. Paint however, is cheap. Junkyard driveline, also cheap. Nothing here looks particularly nicer or better than the 130k rig. Engine is a junkyard 350 with a auto zine dress up kit, nv4500, 208 transfer case and Dana 60s, probably also krylon overhauled. That driveline package can be bought out of a farmers field for $2500 anywhere in america. Its decidedly not special. You're paying a whole lot of monet to have a Chevy pickup disguised as a toyota but without the reliability... It looks to me like corners were cut to save money and to try and appeal to an audience of monied morons. In my opinion, no modified pig will ever approach the value of a nicely kept original without rust. Good luck getting 300k, fortunately a fool and their money are soon parted.
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You're missing the point on so many levels.
 
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