You really think a 70-series is coming? Really? (Or hoping?)
Toyota R&D Reading, We Want a 70 Series
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ryanjl
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I'd guess $50K or more. Much of the cost of a new Mercedes G-500 (a vehicle that a US 7x series would compare closest to in terms of a current US manufacturer bringing over a pre-existing foreign vehicle) comes from the US distribution and marketing, not the vehicle itself.
I sure hope it does...but at 50k or more...no thanks, i cant afford that. working at an ice cream stands doesnt help either. by the way, shotts, i like the new avator.
Cruiserhead05 said:
I hope that bogus post doesn't leash these 70-lovers along. That'd be really mean.
Ya thanks, I got lazy on the avatar. Been too busy poking at people in the forum.
Hey I know we aren't geting a 70 series, but I can dream. Toyota would be stupid to compete against mighty JEEP. They sold 91,392 Wranglers from 02'-03', 2 years. I think that was before the Rubicon, but I'm not sure. But they must be really poorly built, and seldom get over 100,000 miles. I think that is the appeal, not the 4X4 ability. That must be why they sell so many. I mean that old technology, god knows how they don't just crash on the freeway when they are going 100 around turns. But wait, the FJ "Land" Crusier (That is how Toyota wants people to misunderstand) is comming. Better hurry up and get one. I THINK NOT!! I guess I should move to Australia where the good Toyotas are. I will never buy a Jeep though, no matter how much more capable then Toyotas they are. Yes we will never win these arguments, or see any of our requests answered....but it doesn;t hurt to try.
woody said:
I figured there had to be some sick reason why you started this site.
Toyota has sold low-production vehicles in the past. I see no reason why they would not do so in this case provided that they had to modify the vehicles to be able to continue to sell them in other parts of the world. I do not see this happening if the modifications would be for the US market only.An extra few hundred units tossed our way would help offset the over-all costs of production for the world market. They already have boats comming over here now and a service parts system in place and a dealer body so one more model, even a low volume one, would not be that difficult to add. What the potential buyers pool needs to do is express a strong desire to buy them here.
HZJ60 Guy
Tank Buster
ShottsUZJ100 said:Not to pick on you, but that's really shallow. Overall, if you got out of my 100 and into your 60 you'd poop at the difference. Better yet, if you went off road in my 100 you'd stop making comments like you do.
There isn't only ONE WAY to design a successful vehicle. SFA is only ONE aspect of an SUV's design. The 100 might not have the same flex over an 80 or 60 but in EVERY other way it pounces the older Cruisers.
Damn you guys just dont seem to get it. I dont care that your 100 rides like a cadilac on the road. I wouldnt ever wheel that thing. I would wheel a 70 series. When I want wonderful on road maners Im not going to look to my cruiser. I'll drive my car for that. Besides, any straight axle vehicle drives fine on the street. They're in the process of destroying what it means to be a land cruiser with these IFS truck.
TB
shocker said:
You stated that all of these vehicles, with the exceptions of the Rubicon's lockers, were borrowed from other vehicles... You are wrong. Spell out to me where you are right? Spell out to me where Toyota doesn't ALREADY HAVE these same off-the-shelf parts available to build the truck that people want?
I'll wait - I'm patient. The point is that niche marketing works - if it didn't, then GM, Ford, DC, Nissan and Mazda wouldn't be doing it....
The price of a cab only 70 series used for the mines here in Canada go for about 63,000 CAD. Thats what the mine I work for last paid. Awful expensive for just wheeling. Still would be nice though, but hard to compare for guys buying trucks. They end up buying a tundra for 20k cheaper. But possibly the prices would come down on the 70's if they came over in large amounts. Not just bought from ENS. Which you could buy from them now. If you are only using it offroad.
ALL, 78/79's are coil front. I want to say they started in 98-9, the short wheelbase, 71/74(like a HJZ74) is also coil/leaf. AFAIK there is no new leaf/leaf Cruiser made.
Make mine a HZJ74LK-FJPES in ZK trim please
Make mine a HZJ74LK-FJPES in ZK trim please
aamiggia said:Some of the 78 models have coil fronts, no not just the pussy LJ's. A 3B-T diesel has (IIRC) 120 hp and close to 200 torque. Much like the Jeep Libery 2.8 CDi. The 1HZ diesels are 96kW @ 3800rpm and 285Nm @ 2200rpm. Not sure what the conversion is, but those look like good numbers.
How about a curb weight of 2115 kg (4653 lbs) and 3500 kg (7700 lb) towing capacity. Unless you have a VERY heavy trailer (>4200 lbs) I thing the 1HZ78 would be more than adequate to pull your 40
Check out www.brian894x4.com/LC78main.html
I've got a chubby (), just thinking about a LHD 70 series.
HZJ60 Guy
Tank Buster
Landpimp said:ALL, 78/79's are coil front. I want to say they started in 98-9, the short wheelbase, 71/74(like a HJZ74) is also coil/leaf. AFAIK there is no new leaf/leaf Cruiser made.
Make mine a HZJ74LK-FJPES in ZK trim please
Add me to that list please.
TB
the 70 series cab/chasis starts out at about 40K US, tops out at about 50K for a nice Troopy RV
for an idea
http://lc78.toyota.com.au/LC78/InDetail/GradeTypeGrid/1,3797,13,00.html
there is no short wheelbase 70's sold in AUS it seems. Not even sure if they are sold new in Japan anymore. South America is prolly the biggest market for the 71/74
I would suspect a 70 series in the US new would be 50K+
only a few markets if any get the gasser 70 series.
for an idea
http://lc78.toyota.com.au/LC78/InDetail/GradeTypeGrid/1,3797,13,00.html
there is no short wheelbase 70's sold in AUS it seems. Not even sure if they are sold new in Japan anymore. South America is prolly the biggest market for the 71/74
I would suspect a 70 series in the US new would be 50K+
only a few markets if any get the gasser 70 series.
Cruiserhead05 said:
yooper
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Looking at the Toyota AU site.. the least expensive 7x goes for $38k USD and the most $47.5k with the average at ~43k. Tack on some import fees. 50k would be max I would think. How much import duty is there on a 100 series today. Does AU have import duties? So not 80k there shocker.. maybe the 105 is..
yooper
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Bolivia has a cool web site in English:
http://www.toyosa.com/Ingles/lcseries.htm
Got these pics there:
http://www.toyosa.com/Ingles/lcseries.htm
Got these pics there:
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decisions, decisions... I'll take the Pickup since I already have a 70 Although I would like a new one
Although I would like a new one
I would buy a 7X series in a heartbeat, Screw the IFS I want SAS. Toyota please don't make me choose a new heep unlimited... over a landcruiser.
HZJ60 Guy
Tank Buster
wesintl said:Looking at the Toyota AU site.. the least expensive 7x goes for $38k USD and the most $47.5k with the average at ~43k. Tack on some import fees. 50k would be max I would think. How much import duty is there on a 100 series today. Does AU have import duties? So not 80k there shocker.. maybe the 105 is..
IF they wanted to do it it would take NOTHING for them to tool up to make them HERE!
Just as they have done for other Toyota cars/trucks.
TB
Interesting article in Wall Street Journal reposted by Reuters:
"TOKYO - Toyota Motor Corp. will likely add two more assembly plants in North America by the end of the decade as part of a strategy to capture a larger share of the world’s biggest auto market, the Wall Street Journal said.
Toyota, already the world’s most profitable auto maker and vying to become the biggest, plans to announce the site of its seventh assembly plant in North America by the end of the year, the newspaper reported from Detroit.
The search for an eighth plant will begin soon after, the Journal reported, citing senior company executives.
Toyota said it was planning to build more plants but no concrete decisions had been made, reiterating previous comments.
“More plants will be necessary for us to expand our sales,” said Tomomi Imai, manager of the auto maker’s international communications department.
“We have a policy of manufacturing where we sell, so we are considering North America,” he said.
Toyota expanded U.S. sales by 10 percent in 2004, selling over 2 million units there for the first time and giving it a 12.2 percent share of the world’s richest car market.
With its North American sales beating projections, Toyota is closing in on General Motors Corp.’s position as the world’s biggest auto maker.
Currently, Toyota has five North American final assembly plants in operation. A sixth is being built in Texas.
Toyota, which is investing heavily in plants and technology, reported a 5.3 percent rise in third-quarter operating profit as it cut costs and boosted its share of every major car market.
Apart from its North American expansion, it is also starting production at a new plant in the Czech Republic this year while building more cars in China, Argentina and South Africa.
Toyota has said it will aim to at least match last year’s record operating profit of $16 billion in its current business year ending on March 31.
Driven by brisk demand, Toyota has nudged up its global sales forecast for the business year by 70,000 units to 7.29 million for the group, which includes minivehicle maker Daihatsu Motor Co. and truck maker Hino Motors Ltd.."
So it would seem that Toyota is really planning on capitalizing on U.S. sales. It may be possible that Toyota would divert some South America 7#-series to the North American market if they found it profitable. I personally think Toyota has their eyes on two targets: beating GM as the world's largest automotive company, and edging out DC or Ford to become one of the U.S. Big Three.
"TOKYO - Toyota Motor Corp. will likely add two more assembly plants in North America by the end of the decade as part of a strategy to capture a larger share of the world’s biggest auto market, the Wall Street Journal said.
Toyota, already the world’s most profitable auto maker and vying to become the biggest, plans to announce the site of its seventh assembly plant in North America by the end of the year, the newspaper reported from Detroit.
The search for an eighth plant will begin soon after, the Journal reported, citing senior company executives.
Toyota said it was planning to build more plants but no concrete decisions had been made, reiterating previous comments.
“More plants will be necessary for us to expand our sales,” said Tomomi Imai, manager of the auto maker’s international communications department.
“We have a policy of manufacturing where we sell, so we are considering North America,” he said.
Toyota expanded U.S. sales by 10 percent in 2004, selling over 2 million units there for the first time and giving it a 12.2 percent share of the world’s richest car market.
With its North American sales beating projections, Toyota is closing in on General Motors Corp.’s position as the world’s biggest auto maker.
Currently, Toyota has five North American final assembly plants in operation. A sixth is being built in Texas.
Toyota, which is investing heavily in plants and technology, reported a 5.3 percent rise in third-quarter operating profit as it cut costs and boosted its share of every major car market.
Apart from its North American expansion, it is also starting production at a new plant in the Czech Republic this year while building more cars in China, Argentina and South Africa.
Toyota has said it will aim to at least match last year’s record operating profit of $16 billion in its current business year ending on March 31.
Driven by brisk demand, Toyota has nudged up its global sales forecast for the business year by 70,000 units to 7.29 million for the group, which includes minivehicle maker Daihatsu Motor Co. and truck maker Hino Motors Ltd.."
So it would seem that Toyota is really planning on capitalizing on U.S. sales. It may be possible that Toyota would divert some South America 7#-series to the North American market if they found it profitable. I personally think Toyota has their eyes on two targets: beating GM as the world's largest automotive company, and edging out DC or Ford to become one of the U.S. Big Three.
