TORT: The ONSC Rant Thread (2 Viewers)

[NCFJ]

I have a conversation with prospective customers on each job, getting a feel for how they intend to use the vehicle. More and more the word "overlanding" keeps popping up. Obviously, I do not make an issue of the word. Along with this new trend, for me at least, is that I get far more calls from guys that do not even own a truck yet, they wish to get into overlanding and want a cool truck.

 

[angerhater]

I like to call out all the guys in jeep Rubicon’s, and tell them to go actually do the Rubicon. Although their truck may get trashed , the story behind the s*** stain on their seat will be epic.

 

[QsLC75]

Statistics show over 75% of people visiting national parks stay within 2 miles of the trailhead or road. At Yellowstone and GSMNP that statistic jumps to 90%. My cruiser gets me to the trailhead so I can run away and truly enjoy the wilderness away from people. I hate people Is my new bumper sticker and patch

 

[QsLC75]

 

[QsLC75]

Or more appropriately

 

[Bryanseye]

Statistics show over 75% of people visiting national parks stay within 2 miles of the trailhead or road. At Yellowstone and GSMNP that statistic jumps to 90%. My cruiser gets me to the trailhead so I can run away and truly enjoy the wilderness away from people. I hate people Is my new bumper sticker and patch

That’s been my experience too. Yosemite and Sequoia were my most notable traffic jams on asphalt but became pure solitude down the trail.

 

[OB-1]

rant about overlanding, or just effing camping with wheeling.
I have to get this off my chest, after seeing the SHEER NUMBER OF XXXXX OVERLAND names, i cant take it anymore. Guys, literally, its just wheeling and camping. There isnt a dakar to south africa finding your own way, this isnt traversing the mongolian plateau, we are going on well defined trails, maybe for a few days at a time. You know what the aussies say? Touring.... going around australia? Taking a lap... im kind of sick and tired of it, NO ONE GOES OVERLANDING IN THE US... we explore, we ride the trails, we camp and we offroad. Im open to why we have overused the word to the point where it should be fauxverlanding. I had one of the guys from overland bound sit and explain to me why i should pay him to host my overland adventure by taking us on the georgia traverse. Now i have to pay someone, to go on a trail people are perfectly capable of going on, and camp with people i dont know.... which by the way, i hate most people. which is why i camp in the first place, preferably alone, and sometimes with a small group.... Im done with it... no more overland...

Since i mentioned Overland bound, i am a member, however, highly disappointed with "management".At expo we chilled at the OB camp, great bunch of people. However..... some of them......Do you know how many times people asked each other for their member ID? Every other conversation. Like if you had a high number ( i think they are up to 20k by now) you couldnt possibly be broverlander. While everyone was like oh well im 1,059, they asked me and i said 204, but that was before the forums even existed when we just went out andwheeled with people......

im in a bad mood, dont mind me.....

What did you expect when going to an event called OVERLAND Expo?

The following are just my general ramblings and not anything against your comments Andrew.

IMHO I don't see why the use of the term overland is such an issue . I mean, when people go "glamping" can it really be considered camping. Not really my concern. Just as it's not their concern as to what I call whatever I'm doing. (Which, for complete transparency, is nothing. Haven't had time this year to glamp, camp, wheel, overland, underland...nothing...lol.)

I do agree that payment should not be required to join some exclusive group of "overlanders" to be included in on the fun. I choose to pay for my star on Mud to support the content. I choose to pay for ONSC membership to support the activities the club is involved in. But I don't feel obligated by anyone except myself.

As to the patches, well that's also a personal opinion. I see some in our club and others all over Mud with stickers on the outside of their trucks. Is there really anything different than having patches on the inside? Again, to each their own.

Just my 0.00002 cents = pretty much worthless

 

[GLTHFJ60]

^^ Lots of those stickers are event stickers, showing off events you've done, not just things you've bought, but valid point.

 

[lt1fire]

Overland expo is pretty much the epitome of the broverlanders. Its not really the content there its the price. I went to expo once and never again that price is ridiculously high to camp in a field. I've been to other events, same setup, same content 1/4 the price and I've been told by some overlanders that they don't bother with the festivals that aren't expo.

I mention this because the $$ is what is driving the snobby attitude and rapid expansion. I see all the Tacoma's and 4runners with their RTT and thousands of dollars in a cameo kitchen etc... sitting in the same camp ground as a couple with a beat up ford focus, a $25 Coleman stove and a $78 Ozark track tent. Nothing wrong with this but the problem is the majority of them have a chip on their shoulder and need to feel elite after sending that kind of money to do the same as the others. What's the old addage ? What will an overlander buy first an ARB locker or a ridged light bar? About the same price.

There are some states where you can overland, checkout @custyota IG trips for this, like they do in other parts of the world but even in those states many "overland" trips are close to a hospital, grocery store, etc... I could take a 600 mile dirt road trip through WA tomorrow but if things went south I'd still be OK for the most part. In other parts of the world they need to plan for the worst as they may not see anyone else for a bit and there aren't any emergency services close by.

I do kind of roll my eyes at the patches but to each their own there. I mean I used to have patches from countries I'd been to all over my bags. And that is pretty much the same thing as the overland patches, they do patches of places they have been or events they have been to.

All this said its just my own opinion and I still go to rigs and coffee and other overland events and enjoy talking to people there and looking at products I will never buy but are still cool either way. (Although, full disclosure, I do want a Skottle lol). I do prefer more off road oriented events bit there are fewer and fewer of those now.

 

[lt1fire]

Or more appropriately
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So that's why we were such good neighbors.... Lol

 

[roadstr6]

I posted a similar rant to Andrew's regarding OE last year. I won't rehash. I have not attended any of these OE events and I don't plan to. Fauxverlanding does stimulate the economy and it does gin up excitement for the types of vehicles we love to drive. That excitement spurs the aftermarket to create new products, some of which we like and others, not so much. It is good to have choices though. As for me, I choose to ride trails and camp in the woods for free or at least on the cheap with friends and family. I have no interest in paying big money to camp in a big crowded field with people I don't know. Patches and stickers are fine with me. Angry bird grilles and neon halo headlights are great. Same goes for COEXIST stickers and all the political crap that people feel compelled to advertise on their cars. Those little gems offer the casual observer ( like me ) a glimpse into the mindset of the person behind the wheel. That way I can do my best to stay clear.

 

[NCFJ]

The over landing trend is HUGE and shows up everywhere. I used to like to go to parks, look for the hardest trails my equipment could take and go for it. My tastes have changed, these days I prefer to drive around in the woods, look for trails that are not gated and go see if we can find a camp site off the beaten track.

It's about driving trails with friends, BS on the radio, stopping for standouts in nature, good food around the camp fire with friends. we scope out the gear others are using and see if that would fit into what we are already doing. We've not been out on a trail in 18 months at least, mainly because the knock in Heather's truck finally got too loud to trust and the alternator then died. I hope to have her up and running by Summer.

Anything you get into has "fauxverlanders". When the "Over Landing" wave settles out the long time enthusiasts will still be around and there will be some new enthusiasts born of the whole phase. I am thinking that there will be some nice trucks up for sale too

 

[sentient schmoo]

Derailing the topics for a moment - to rant about how people treat each other. Certainly, other relationships are none of my business, and I do mind my own. But I cannot stand seeing people who live to criticize their spouse. Why put someone down all the damn time? I watched a family taking photos together. A bag was set behind one of their kids, who inevitably tripped over it and was crying. One parent immediately picked kid up. All the other parent did was say "you put that right behind [the child]" in a condescending, snappy tone. Didn't even stop to check on their kid.

Sure, I don't know the whole story - but if that's how someone reacts in a moment like that, it's a good indication for how they act on the reg.

**** that noise.

 

[izzyandsue]

Bunch of haters here! Overlanding is a new new thing, never done before.

 

[OB-1]

Bunch of haters here! Overlanding is a new new thing, never done before.

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This is exactly what I think about when I watch The National Parks by Ken Burns and realize that if they could travel around in those vehicles back then, what do we need these overbuilt "overlanding" rigs

 

[izzyandsue]

How dare they go without 4-6 rotopaxes in them olden days.....

From a famous Overlanding in the Southeastern US book:
"There is no precise moment when overlanding became a fad, a thing to do. It is an evolution and can be traced back to humans and nomadic tribes. Yes, there was a time when humans carried all their possessions on their backs, eventually on domesticated animals, and followed herds to hunt and provide for their groups and families. Fast forward to mechanical “domesticated animals” and adds some leisure time and you have camping from your vehicle. In 1917, the W.A. Plummer Manufacturing Company, Los Angeles, sold a variety of canvas tents that could be easily carried in your model T Ford, and erected quickly to cover the car plus create a sleeping/living quarters. The name was “The Overland-Trail” Weather Proof Auto-Touring Camps."

 

[JohnVee]

That Collapsible Luggage Carrier is pretty damned cool. Somebody should adapt that idea to a roof rack, giving the options of flat rack or sided rack. It'd probably have to be 3-sided but that's not much of an issue.

 

[lt1fire]

How dare they go without 4-6 rotopaxes in them olden days.....

From a famous Overlanding in the Southeastern US book:
"There is no precise moment when overlanding became a fad, a thing to do. It is an evolution and can be traced back to humans and nomadic tribes. Yes, there was a time when humans carried all their possessions on their backs, eventually on domesticated animals, and followed herds to hunt and provide for their groups and families. Fast forward to mechanical “domesticated animals” and adds some leisure time and you have camping from your vehicle. In 1917, the W.A. Plummer Manufacturing Company, Los Angeles, sold a variety of canvas tents that could be easily carried in your model T Ford, and erected quickly to cover the car plus create a sleeping/living quarters. The name was “The Overland-Trail” Weather Proof Auto-Touring Camps."

I still need to read that book

 

[AndrewHadji]

What did you expect when going to an event called OVERLAND Expo?

The following are just my general ramblings and not anything against your comments Andrew.

IMHO I don't see why the use of the term overland is such an issue . I mean, when people go "glamping" can it really be considered camping. Not really my concern. Just as it's not their concern as to what I call whatever I'm doing. (Which, for complete transparency, is nothing. Haven't had time this year to glamp, camp, wheel, overland, underland...nothing...lol.)

I do agree that payment should not be required to join some exclusive group of "overlanders" to be included in on the fun. I choose to pay for my star on Mud to support the content. I choose to pay for ONSC membership to support the activities the club is involved in. But I don't feel obligated by anyone except myself.

As to the patches, well that's also a personal opinion. I see some in our club and others all over Mud with stickers on the outside of their trucks. Is there really anything different than having patches on the inside? Again, to each their own.

Just my 0.00002 cents = pretty much worthless

Hey everyone can have an opinion :-D , and generally agree with you. But its gotten so bad there are youtube videos of Overlanding Brown mountain, or overlanding hurricane creek.

Been to expo before, and the little friends i do have i actually do like to camp with, it was his first time going and I had a good time. We found an offshoot that held few trucks. Did i have a good time, yes..... am I tired of the excessive use of the word, yes.... I am not blind to the irony that i built my truck the way i did. Literally got asked if I overland anywhere bro. No, but i do camp in cool places and try to wheel a bit. I drove to moab.... is that overlanding? I also drove back from Tuscon, extreme overland of 33 hours.... again, im just annoyed about it. This is the rant thread no

 

[forrest5000]

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I have that shirt.