This is probably going to be very unliked, but this is just like my opinion man. This is my issue with the LC250
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More importantly it is completely disingenuous to post pictures from a few square kilometers of densely populated industrial zones like Los Angeles for their shock effect and then neglect to mention that there are hundreds of thousands of square kilometers of country in N America completely free from pollution, filled with pristine alpine forests pumping nothing but pure goodness into the environment. These Goebbels tactics and imagery are voluntarily dishonest misstatements that must be challenged every minute of the day if we are to maintain our essential freedoms and human rights. Do not back down. Fight.
Umm what??? My 2020 200 has a Bilstein kit on 33’s as well and if I set cruise control to 65 and make a highway run on a full tank I’ll see 14 mpg average. My mixed use/city mileage brings it down to 10-11. Personally I’d be thrilled with anything close to 20 mpg!
Likewise. I’m lucky to get 200miles a tank around town.
In the various 200's that I have owned, I have never seen 17mpg...let alone lifted with bigger tires, etc.
I think someone a few pages back mentioned threats to the world - in terms of carbon vs. cultural things.
The biggest threat that I see is people walling themselves off into their -isms and cancelling anyone with a different idea or take on the world. Making other people either "all good" or "all bad" and turning off their brain to any information that counters their existing beliefs (the -ism religions). I've unfortunately watched several friends and family members fall off into the -isms (right and left); eventually every single one of them turns into a deeply unhappy and angry person with a strong dislike of anyone different than them, often with a constant desire to force their -ism on others. That's not productive in any way and certainly does nothing to help solve complex technical problems like climate change and the environmental/social impacts of resource extraction up and down our global supply chains.
In my opinion we've actually done a pretty good job presenting well-reasoned arguments on this thread without cancelling each other, calling names, or making picket signs. Too bad the rest of the world can't do the same thing and just resorts to yelling at each other from their echo chamber.
Off to hop on my road bike for a ride this morning, prior to heading out later in our hybrid
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The biggest threat that I see is people walling themselves off into their -isms and cancelling anyone with a different idea or take on the world. Making other people either "all good" or "all bad" and turning off their brain to any information that counters their existing beliefs (the -ism religions). I've unfortunately watched several friends and family members fall off into the -isms (right and left); eventually every single one of them turns into a deeply unhappy and angry person with a strong dislike of anyone different than them, often with a constant desire to force their -ism on others. That's not productive in any way and certainly does nothing to help solve complex technical problems like climate change and the environmental/social impacts of resource extraction up and down our global supply chains.
In my opinion we've actually done a pretty good job presenting well-reasoned arguments on this thread without cancelling each other, calling names, or making picket signs. Too bad the rest of the world can't do the same thing and just resorts to yelling at each other from their echo chamber.
Off to hop on my road bike for a ride this morning, prior to heading out later in our hybrid
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What powers your electric car??
Where we are it’s coal and natural gas. Still burning fuel one way or another.
It depends on your grid. In Utah my home was primarily rooftop solar. Net zero isn't actually zero, but I did have more generation than use annually and would add solar to match a vehicle. In Alaska - it's almost all natural gas.
Even a grid burning only fossil fuels- EVS still burn a lot less and do it with a lot fewer emissions. Even coal powerplants generation and system losses to EV is still cleaner than internal combustion engines. Natural gas combined cycle gas turbines are 60+ percent efficient. After system losses it'll still be around 50%. A Land Cruiser V8 is probably 20-25% on a good day.
National average grid energy is about 60% Fossil fuel. If we assume 2x thermal efficiency on fossil fuels and 60/40 generation mix, the EV needs about 30% as much fossil fuels as a ice vehicle. It's not zero, but it's a lot less.
And the grid gets cleaner every year. I'm not aware of any ICE that does.
I don't think EVs are a universal solution. They're not free of environmental harm and they can't do a lot of functions. But they are a lot cleaner and require a lot less destruction of the planet. And they're just really great cars to actually own. There's a reason people love using them - the convenience and low cost of home charging. For daily driver use, it's just a better mousetrap.
As far as the land cruiser goes - I don't think EV powertrain would be a good fit. But I do think improving efficiency is valuable. I would love to see a PHEV model with solid state batteries (for the size and weight reduction). Imo that's the end game for the best possible powertrain in this type of vehicle.
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Hiluxforever
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Any time Iowa is windy we get
% wind energy. But Iowa has more turbines per capita than any other state.
Does the "grid" actually get cleaner or does it just shift from domestic petroleum/coal to chinese made "green" means of generation which entail horrific manufacturing methods/waste on the front end and no recycling/reclaimation on the back end.
All of those windmills that fail catastrophically are simply buried in the ground, a huge number of photovoltaics are in same boat with no easy local/regional options for recycling.
Its easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they BEEN fooled
At the end of the day a vehicle is just a tool that needs to suit your needs for transportation over some period of time for a reasonable price.
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I feel like this is the kind of thinking that will never move us forward. Yes coal and gas are still responsible for much of our countries energy but there are other methods increasingly being put into place. Namely wind and solar.
Wind farms make over 90% of Costa Rica's electricity although I recognize they are a much smaller, less technologically advanced country than the U.S.
Then there is nuclear. It gets the job done with no greenhouse gasses, that much we do know. But then there are the challenges of cost and apparently it takes a long time (upwards of 10 years) to get a nuclear plant up and running. Some people are spooked about safety but we have only had one nuclear disaster in our planet's history (Chernobyl) where radiation ended up killing people and that was attributed to design flaws in the plant and very poor management.
I thought Texas had the most wind farms? Maybe not per capita though... at least you guys are on one of the major grids!Any time Iowa is windy we get
But Iowa has more turbines per capita than any other state.
And here I am checking in on this thread thinking there would be discussions on the new LC - silly me.
Hiluxforever
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It does, Iowa has 1/10th the population so it sneaks in as the per capita winner and I think is number 2, overall.
Dumping the coal has removed the brown tinge to the horizon and made it so the only really significant pollution is agriculture related.
We nominal out at around 55-60% wind for the year, but definitely have multi-day periods where we are wind only, which is neat.
What's funny is what Toyota has done with the LC 250 may actually be a more controversial topic
Yes but there are plenty of threads about that around here. I don’t mind the “chit chat” as long as everyone can be civil about it.What's funny is what Toyota has done with the LC 250 may actually be a more controversial topic
Correct. A "plug in" hybrid does allow driving without the gas engine running. An example would be the Rav4 Prime.
Yes. It our grid actually does get cleaner. It gets a lot cleaner. There is no real clean coal, but even coal has gotten cleaner over time with a variety of technologies.
However, not all grids have gotten cleaner. Germany has gotten significantly dirtier over the past decade.
Germany is the best example in aware of for how to make things worse with poor policy. Nuclear energy should be expanding. But Germany chose reactionary policy over reasoning and swapped nuclear for mostly coal power but pretended it was replacing with wind.
BTW - I'm not a fan of wind energy. My experience is that wtg only works well on paper and rarely meets the promises in real life. The actual useful life on the ones I've worked on was significantly shorter than mfg claims. 30+ yrs is unrealistic. PV solar is the opposite. It routinely exceeds performance targets and I think we'll see 50+ years of actual useful life. Nuclear? We're 70 years in service of 30-40 year designs. I would build a ground up grid we're mostly nuclear and some PV solar, hydro, geothermal, and gas peakers. But people are irrationally scared of nuclear and I'm not sure we'll ever change that.
TheLCProject
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Electricity generation through coal and gas at least has the advantage of emissions reduction and capture.
It's a bit easier to capture at a relative smaller number of sources than at millions of tailpipes, hones, and businesses.
It's a bit easier to capture at a relative smaller number of sources than at millions of tailpipes, hones, and businesses.
Side benefit - you can also build them down wind. Utah can pollute Colorado air. Win win.
