This is probably going to be very unliked, but this is just like my opinion man. This is my issue with the LC250 (6 Viewers)

[Jetboy]

You can buy a family sedan that runs mid 9s standing quarter mile. You can buy a 300hp Rav 4 that gets 40mpg. A gx460 that tows over 9k lbs. And a diesel truck with 1200 ft lbs of torque. Even a 700hp dessert race truck.

I'm just not seeing the sky falling here. Seems more like a golden age of the automobile*.


*Except Toyota where the land cruiser is now a base grade 4Runner and the supra is a rebadged BMW.

 

[TheLCProject]

And you'll likely survive any accident in those well-performing vehicles.

 

[OSS]

The “issue” is that they wanted to bring the Landcruiser back to its roots, which means simplifying it and downgrading it from the very expensive 200 series — but they had no such plans or desire to do that to the 4Runner.
So LC got taken down a notch but 4R got upgraded (again).

There’s nothing wrong with that. What LC enthusiast really cares what’s going on with the 4Runners anyway? Each vehicle is what it is. Choose the one you like.

 

[TWILLY]

Laws are followed, but that does not stop NGOs from filing NIMBY lawsuits that are often frivolous and kill projects where tens of millions has been invested in permitting.

Federal courts only stop federal actions that violate federal law. That you don't like it doesn't make it frivolous. It's the law.

 

[krice118]

Saw a black 250. Now I want one…

 

[Rednexus]

Federal courts only stop federal actions that violate federal law. That you don't like it doesn't make it frivolous. It's the law.

It's the litigation itself that slows the process down. Even if the NGO is on the losing side, it can still delay a project for years or kill it, which is usually the end goal (Twin Metals, Resolution Copper). It's also extremely expensive for the permittee.

That's also happened here in MO with the Grain Belt Express transmission line designed to carry wind energy from Kansas to Chicago, where it was stalled out for a long time by agricultural interests.

These are the hard decisions we are going to have to make if we want to decarbonize while having some control over our energy and national security.

We can't source batteries domestically if we don't mine domestically and can't charge Teslas with green energy in Chicago if we can't build transmission lines to move the power.

Or, we just keep on the path we are on while climate change does It's thing.

 

[cruiserinsanity]

I just drove a production GX550. Damn, it's fast. I'd easily own one.

There’s probably some way to use your phone to start it so you won’t have to remember where you left the keys.

 

[TWILLY]

It's the litigation itself that slows the process down. Even if the NGO is on the losing side, it can still delay a project for years or kill it, which is usually the end goal (Twin Metals, Resolution Copper). It's also extremely expensive for the permittee.

That's also happened here in MO with the Grain Belt Express transmission line designed to carry wind energy from Kansas to Chicago, where it was stalled out for a long time by agricultural interests.

These are the hard decisions we are going to have to make if we want to decarbonize while having some control over our energy and national security.

We can't source batteries domestically if we don't mine domestically and can't charge Teslas with green energy in Chicago if we can't build transmission lines to move the power.

Or, we just keep on the path we are on while climate change does It's thing.

Twin Metals was permitted illegally; it threatened the boundary waters. Its cancellation was upheld in court. Similar story to nearby Poly Met; illegal permitting threatening Lake Superior; bad site, court overturns.

If the mining industry were smart, it would ask the federal government to undertake a zoning effort, as has been done with solar (with notable success), to locate low-conflict zones for mining minerals like lithium.

Instead, industry targets high conflict areas, bullies resultantly illegal permits from regulators, and provokes resultantly successful litigation from communities, making an expensive corporate failure (of its own making) that you describe.

Worse yet, the federal government is now trying to “fast track” mining projects (like near Patagonia, AZ) as if speed, rather than good planning (like first zoning for conflict avoidance) will not just fast track another expensive corporate failure.

This is America. We can be smarter than this. But if we’re not, our laws give the public the power to protect itself in court from unlawful government decisions—that’s a good thing.

 

[W4632018]

Some of us remember the cries about gobal cooling and nuclear power plants being spewed with the same volume and earnestness as the latest version of hysteria. No nukes. No coal. No fossil fuels. It's a wonder some take the risk of getting out of bed in the morning.

The only thing that's hard to believe is that anyone still listens to the nonsensical fear mongering by the latest do gooder crowd trying to control us.

If you want to call them the “do-gooder” crowd, can the opposition be called the “head-in-the-sand” crowd?

Heard a lot of people complaining about so-called preachy green types, but the only holier than thou preaching in this thread is coming from big oil types. Just calling it as I see it

 

[Phillyd2]

If you want to call them the “do-gooder” crowd, can the opposition be called the “head-in-the-sand” crowd?

Heard a lot of people complaining about so-called preachy green types, but the only holier than thou preaching in this thread is coming from big oil types. Just calling it as I see it

Zealots is a better adjective but it would be akin to peeing against the wind to debate religion with a cultist. Better to just observe their actions to discover what they truly believe, instead of what they are programmed to repeat.

Here we are talking about inefficient boxy BOF trucks so yeah, I love hypocrisy as much as the next guy. Self righteousness? not so much but since we are just calling things as we see it......

 

[Rednexus]

That is to say, decarbonization — a goal I wholeheartedly agree with — will challenge our systems to be smarter than we’ve required of them to date.

I'd say we are on the same page here, perhaps I'm more of a pessimist and don't see our systems improving much (i.e., basic government dysfunction). Regardless, it's probably the most complex problem we've faced as a society since WWII as it ties science, engineering, global supply chains, conservation concerns, individual rights, public policy, and national security all together (in a way that affects every corner of our economy - right down to the 8.2" diff in a LC250). And it's obvious that the vast majority of the public doesn't really understand how complex of a problem and difficult/slow to solve it truly is.

 

[Brown98LC]

Don't drive anything with the twin 6 If whatever you will get won't have that engine.
It ruins everything else for you.

Beautiful engine.

 

[Ry24000]

A rebadged 4Runner. Sounds familiar? Yup in 2007 with the FJ Cruiser. 4Runner and FJ Cruiser shared the same engine and drive train. Then the "It's not a real LandCruiser" talk started. I think that's what the 250 is facing. That is until they release the 255 "Iron Pig" addition.

 

[jayp2]

A rebadged 4Runner. Sounds familiar? Yup in 2007 with the FJ Cruiser. 4Runner and FJ Cruiser shared the same engine and drive train. Then the "It's not a real LandCruiser" talk started. I think that's what the 250 is facing. That is until they release the 255 "Iron Pig" addition.

The shared parts across multiple models is a huge advantage imho

It helps ensure avail over a long period of time and if/when there's an issue there's a tendency to identify it earlier than other manufactures cuz numbers.....

But absent solid axles and an inline 6 (gas or diesel) and simple enough to be maintained and repaired in most cases with simple tools its not really a land cruiser for me....its something that is trying to capitolize on marketing.

Its not to detract from the vehicle or its capabilities but they really should come up with a new name for it......like they did with the 4R

Seems that the marketing folks are just being lazy

 

[Ry24000]

The shared parts across multiple models is a huge advantage imho

It helps ensure avail over a long period of time and if/when there's an issue there's a tendency to identify it earlier than other manufactures cuz numbers.....

No doubt about that! The 2f engine had a 12+ year run. The 3ur-fe 5.7-liter v8 had a 13. People will be pillaging the 3ur-fe 5.7-liter v8 vehicles for the engine and axles that those rigs came with.
LandCruiser= I can take a third member from a 70/80 series and put it in a '68 axle housing....that's LandCruiser man! When you step up to LandCruiser your supposed to get the Tougher goods...That's why I chose LC over Bronco and Jeep years ago!

 

[Rednexus]

Should be interesting to see how 250 buyers fit into those stats

It's pretty crazy how cheap our hybrid is to operate. At 30 mpg (winter) to 35 mpg (summer, but it can hit near 40 mpg under perfect conditions), very little use of the brakes, no turbo/intercooler, and just an oil change every 5K miles (yes I know that's overkill but it takes <15 minutes for me to change and there is no way I'm leaving it in there for 10K). I haven't done more than oil changes and tire rotations on it, but so far it is easier to work on than my GX and has a ton of room in the engine bay, despite being 16 years newer. At some point it will need a coolant change and CVT fluid exchange, which I'll likely DIY.

Too bad we can't have a N/A V6 or small V8 hybrid to ditch the turbos. It wouldn't be as fast but I'd take the simplicity any day.

 

[malden]

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[jayp2]

It's pretty crazy how cheap our hybrid is to operate. At 30 mpg (winter) to 35 mpg (summer, but it can hit near 40 mpg under perfect conditions), very little use of the brakes, no turbo/intercooler, and just an oil change every 5K miles (yes I know that's overkill but it takes <15 minutes for me to change and there is no way I'm leaving it in there for 10K). I haven't done more than oil changes and tire rotations on it, but so far it is easier to work on than my GX and has a ton of room in the engine bay, despite being 16 years newer. At some point it will need a coolant change and CVT fluid exchange, which I'll likely DIY.

Too bad we can't have a N/A V6 or small V8 hybrid to ditch the turbos. It wouldn't be as fast but I'd take the simplicity any day.

Yea but a factory new corrolla will do 40MPG all day every day and require no more maint and cost a pile less

 

[Jetboy]

Yea but a factory new corrolla will do 40MPG all day every day and require no more maint and cost a pile less

Sure, but a Corolla is a lot less useful than an AWD van.

A Prius is more similar vehicle. They get more like 55-60mpg at $30k vs 33mpg and $25k.

 

[Rednexus]

The Highlander is a 3-row crossover and is bigger and roomier than my GX. They both weigh around 5,000#. Of course it can't do much (if any) off-roading, but it's 2X more useful as a family hauler compared to a Corolla. It's already been to FL and back, plus UT/AZ/CO and back, and I use it for most of my work travel.

The Camry hybrid has the same N/A 2.5 drivetrain as the Highlander and is rated at 51/53 mpg city/highway, which beats the non-hybrid Corolla (and the Camry is bigger). I have no qualms with the current Prius, but the old one is fugly and not something I'd want to be seen in. The new one looks fine and is a car I would consider.

My college ride was a '97 Saturn SL1 5MT. I'd routinely hit 37-40 mpg on interstate and topped out at around 48 mpg driving 55 mph behind a U-Haul
on the interstate. But, that car only weighted 2,400# and had 100HP. A crossover weighing 2X as much with 2.5X the power and getting similar gas mileage is a huge improvement in technology, especially considering it lacks a turbo or a plug-in.