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I don't know what it does but it looks like the same bolt pattern as the throttle body...
(The strange Part) it bolts your stock throttle body to the supercharger, it is mounted low and behind the charger, the brass nipples are for your vacuum lines..
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here is a picture of it mounted....
Sorry, Don't cut off the parts in the picture... it shows what I had to cut for the intercooler install.. to lazy to remove them from the picture...
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The stock super fan is the early 3.slo ring fan, that is known to explode. Dan is running the later 3.slo fan (non-ring), it's reported to move more air. The 3.slo fans are smaller (OD) than the stock 1FZ fan, locally we were working on putting a 3FE fan, same OD as the 1FZ fan, but both owners got rid of the supers due to overheating problems in our desert climate.
To bad UPS couldn't handle your merchandise a little better. I guess at least it got delivered. I had bought nearly $500 worth of front axle rebuild components from American that were stolen off my doorstep! UPS left the package without getting the required signature and they ended up footing the bill. Someone apparently was following the UPS truck and now has a bunch of random parts that they are probably selling on Ebay...
So, I looked at the boxes and walked away for a while. It was rather heart breaking to think that such a cool bit might be toast due to some package sorting machine gone awry. After a 4 hour cool down period I came back and started sorting through the carnage.
So, one box got beaten a bit harder than the others. I started there. Its a credit to TRD that this piece survived. It had room in the box and apparently landed so hard it pierced the box with one of the brass connectors. Through the little box AND the packing crate.
Was there any packing material in this box?
That was my first thought. You can't blame UPS for a heavy object boxed up loose with no packing materials.
Most everything in the pic's seems to be boxed improperly. Hopefully it is OK because there is no way UPS would honor an insurance claim.
I guess this might make more sense when I look at my S/C kit when it comes, but I am confused as to:
1) why you can't just run the stock 1FZ-FE fan with a S/C? Fitment issues?
2) Why doesn't Toyota supply a better fan than the ring POS for their $3700 S/C kit if the stock fan doesn't fit? Perhaps the non ring fan?
3) What year/model does the 3.slo non-ring fan come from the factory on?
3.5)Anyone have a rough price and or part # on said fan?
4)With having a smaller OD than the stock 1FZ fan, is there a difference in the fan blade pitch that makes it push more air than the stock 1FZ? It seems counterintuitive.
Thanks!
My guess, it's all about keeping the CARB approval.
Any changes to the kit - even the fan- or install would make TRD retest the kit for a new CARB number. Retesting will not happen.
For all the California 80 owners the supercharger is the only power upgrade legally possible. Even then to remain legal, nothing can be changed.... Stupid CARB.
I think the original fan after sc install hits the radiator at high rpm, the ringed fan does not flex as much. Just buy the better fan from Cdan and enjoy.
Any changes to the kit - even the fan- or install would make TRD retest the kit for a new CARB number. Retesting will not happen.
For all the California 80 owners the supercharger is the only power upgrade legally possible. Even then to remain legal, nothing can be changed.... Stupid CARB.
I think the original fan after sc install hits the radiator at high rpm, the ringed fan does not flex as much. Just buy the better fan from Cdan and enjoy.
I think you can quite easily blame UPS for this damage. Just think about it, CDan didn't manufacture these parts in NM. They came from a factory, probably in Japan. If they made it from Japan to NM in mint condition, as Beno states and I believe him, then the fault is clearly on UPS for the damage that occurred between NM and NE.
For $3700, UPS had dang well better honor any insurance claims. I made them replace my new radiator two years ago because they dropped it on the fill bung hard enough that it was caved in and unusable. And that was with it being packed in the expanding foam material.
Excellent point and one that I overlooked. TRD cannot change the kit even if they are aware of an improvement. Pity.
-B-
Californians
Your CARB laws make us all suffer. Jk
So this ringed fan is prone to explode? It seems more stout with the ring surrounding it. Or maybe the ring holds the fan blade tips ridged which might cause excessive flex in the center of the blade=fan explosion.
Your CARB laws make us all suffer. JkSo this ringed fan is prone to explode? It seems more stout with the ring surrounding it. Or maybe the ring holds the fan blade tips ridged which might cause excessive flex in the center of the blade=fan explosion.
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Yes, when the extra belt is added, the fan has to be spaced forward, requiring a thinner fan.
Don't know why they use that fan, it's from the early 3.slo, '88-92? The non-ring is the later 3.slo fan '93-95?
IMHO more like counterproductive. Adding the super increases the heat load, going to the smaller OD and thinner fan reduces it's power, moving the fan closer to the cooler also reduces it's capacity. That fan is designed for a NA 3.0L motor, with a smaller radiator, heat load, etc, so is designed to move less air. Luckily the stock 80 has excess cooling capacity, so in most conditions it can handle it. When it's hot here, they pretty much have to be driven by the temp gauge, if it reads low, your good to use throttle, when it reads high, back off and let it cool.
In most climates it works fine, but be aware that it has less excess cooling capacity. So a good temp gauge is needed and cooling system maintenance is critical.
Among the fans that we played with the 3FE fan had the most promise, same OD as stock, but thinner like the 3.slo. A buddy bought a new 3FE fan and it looked like it would fit with little mods, but he solved the problem by selling the rig out of state, so never got a chance to find out.
They will ask you how it was packed when you file the claim. They might send out an inspector to see the damage and original packing material for a $3700 claim.
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Me too; I never thought of that but it makes major sense. Ohh well, all the old workarounds are still already out there to try - alcohol injection, auxillary fans, the different blade deal from the 3.0's, intercoolers, etc. and they all work to lower the temperatures, reduce the risk of detonation and add some performance to the package. You know, the more I think of it, for a basic bolt on modification that will add lots of lovely power and that will carry warantees for twelve thousand more miles regardless of one's current mileage you cannot compare anything available past or present to the supercharger. And, the more I think of it, out of all the old workarounds the ones that Romer has added make the most sense in that they all "are" stock and should be something that Mr. T won't object to - a JDM aux fan can be called something for the AC and would never be called something that added to the risk of supercharger related failures --- the thicker fan clutch fluid no one would ever even know about --- and the improved fan blade would likely go unnoticed and could conceivably be swapped prior to parking the rig at the dealer in the event of failure. If I had one of these on our rig, I would without a second thought put these particular things on but I would not put on alcohol injection stuff or intercooler stuff at least until after that 12K mile warranty expired. Still for the price, the performance and the fact that you've got a good 12K worry free miles (assuming it is installed at an approved place right?) after installation, this supercharger always was and always will be a very sweet setup.
I don't think it's realistic to expect UPS to pay for damage (if there was any) to a heavy, metal item rolling around loose in a big box. UPS is very clear about their packaging requirements. That includes properly sized boxes and adequate packing around the items. IIRC, they specifically say there should be a minimum of 2" around the item.
I'm glad you got them to reimburse you for your radiator. I have had them mangle several things of mine. If your claim process was like those that I have done, they came and inspected the damged item and the packing materials. There's no way they would honor a claim for an item with no padding inside the box.
I am assuming that this was NOT a CDan packing job. All of the orders I have received from American Toyota were packed great. I would guess that this was shipped directly from elsewhere or shipped in the cartons they came in. If it was packed at AT I would guess that part-time high school help packed it.
EDIT- I see that Beno posted that the items arrived at AT and were shipped directly out. This makes sense as I have never received orders from them packed like this. UPS has plenty of issues but this one isn't their fault.
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let me repeat:
These boxes come into us originally packed and we do not open them at all.
The tape-up/staple job from the factory is much better than what we can do at AmToy.
That said, these come in, are not opened, and go right back out. This is the same with the H55's we ship and other large items.
Since this thread has exposed a possible issue with the packing of the S/C boxes, I will talk with Dan when he returns on Monday and reference this thread.
Maybe it will be worth our while to open the packages and re-pack them just in case UPS decides to be a bit rougher on these heavy boxes.
Again, my apologies. We'll get it right.
-onur
These boxes come into us originally packed and we do not open them at all.
The tape-up/staple job from the factory is much better than what we can do at AmToy.
That said, these come in, are not opened, and go right back out. This is the same with the H55's we ship and other large items.
Since this thread has exposed a possible issue with the packing of the S/C boxes, I will talk with Dan when he returns on Monday and reference this thread.
Maybe it will be worth our while to open the packages and re-pack them just in case UPS decides to be a bit rougher on these heavy boxes.
Again, my apologies. We'll get it right.
-onur
