Any changes from the MY14 to MY15? Such as blind spot monitoring, etc
Selling Price For My Built 2015 Land Cruiser?
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13-15's are pretty much the same
My only input is that of the very few cars that are out there that you could potentially drive without any real limit to their usage - 200s are among them. An X (lease) isn't in that ballpark at all. Conversely, you could wheel the snot out of your 200 on weekends for the next decade and hand it down to your oldest to drive when they're ready and still come out way ahead. I plan to try to do something like that. The best car is one without a payment...
I admittedly have blown through a ton of pointless SUVs in the past few years - we had a Cayenne Turbo S, an X5M, a GL550, some other quirky stuff like a Saab 9-7x Aero - but I'm done with the wife's-car-rat-race. I have landed on it all being a waste of money (for me.) Thankfully now she's content with the LC - lift, armor, and all - and I personally love the idea of driving this thing forever, even if it's supplemented with some cheap runabout electric or hybrid to hustle kids to school or whatever, so be it, the 200 will always be there. Whenever my car ADD flares up I look for other outlets as the 200 makes too much sense to keep for the foreseeable future.
IMHO life is short, if the opportunity cost is finite as it is for most of us, take your kids abroad or something with the tens-of-thousands you'd be dumping into the X lease, I suspect you'll all get more out of it. Unless there's some trick way to lease the X under your business for tax purposes it just seems like lighting money on fire to park Shamu in the garage and you'll be missing out on future 200 shenanigans!
I admittedly have blown through a ton of pointless SUVs in the past few years - we had a Cayenne Turbo S, an X5M, a GL550, some other quirky stuff like a Saab 9-7x Aero - but I'm done with the wife's-car-rat-race. I have landed on it all being a waste of money (for me.) Thankfully now she's content with the LC - lift, armor, and all - and I personally love the idea of driving this thing forever, even if it's supplemented with some cheap runabout electric or hybrid to hustle kids to school or whatever, so be it, the 200 will always be there. Whenever my car ADD flares up I look for other outlets as the 200 makes too much sense to keep for the foreseeable future.
IMHO life is short, if the opportunity cost is finite as it is for most of us, take your kids abroad or something with the tens-of-thousands you'd be dumping into the X lease, I suspect you'll all get more out of it. Unless there's some trick way to lease the X under your business for tax purposes it just seems like lighting money on fire to park Shamu in the garage and you'll be missing out on future 200 shenanigans!
Those are wholesale prices and rigs.
No Toyota or Lexus dealer is going to pass on the chance to resell a 200 lease return themselves (or most other in-demand vehicles of any brand) unless it's a POS. We only wholesale the junk.
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Canyonero
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All makes sense. Theoretically there are always opportunity costs with a finite resource such as money, but I’m in a fortunate position and I think I will leave it at that. I’ve considered my 200 the same way you see yours - as a forever vehicle - but I’m not sure I’d rather have my 8 year old girl driving the 200 in 8 years instead of something more advanced and electric. I would say that with an electric vehicle we can keep her closer, but we all know the 200 has less range than an EV, haha.
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Go for it @Canyonero ! Throw in a powerwall and some solar shingles while you're at it. Think of that - 13mpg @ $2.50 gal vs FREE! After your 3 yr lease is up and the 300 is out, you can come back into the fold and blaze a trail for 300 mods 
Canyonero
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Go for it @Canyonero ! Throw in a powerwall and some solar shingles while you're at it. Think of that - 13mpg @ $2.50 gal vs FREE! After your 3 yr lease is up and the 300 is out, you can come back into the fold and blaze a trail for 300 mods
Yes! I like this plan. But you still have to wheel with me.
We went with an EV ('17 Ford Fusion Energi) for our local errand vehicle and we charge it with a solar charging station I built. That, in combo with the 200, is an ideal set up for us. We are headed to the Detroit Auto Show this winter to check out all the upcoming options for EVs. There are a BUNCH of those coming on the market in the next year or 2, so if you want an EV, don't feel limited to the Model X, unless you need to move on it right now. Most manufacturers are making a huge commitment to EVs, and I suspect some of them will be great vehicles.
@Angelo1: You make some interesting points.
Realizing this is tangential to Canyonero's quest, but obviously safety is a big concern for all of us. I remember the clap-traps I drove around in as a kid and I count myself lucky I never had a real accident, or it would have been bad. A lot of the new EVs are definitely becoming very safe - Tesla in particular has some very impressive crash test results - and hopefully autonomous driving will become both widely deployed, and accepted, in the next decade or so. Autopilot is getting there, so are Cadillac and Mercedes' early implementations although they're more dependent on the driver both due to algorithmic sophistication and lawyers than Autopilot.
With all that said, mass in an accident still matters, and that's one of the reasons I like the idea of my kids in something bigger. Given all the 8000 lb dualies running around our state, insurance costs aside I can't yet accept the idea of packaging my kids into something Tesla 3-sized and expecting AI to deliver them where they need to be safely, all the time.
Not yet anyway. If the goal of raising our kids is to get them to adulthood I'd rather pay the insurance premium to wrap them in 3 tons of steel while giving them the tools & skills to effectively manage driving themselves until the day AI really is an improvement over the median driver out there, and until the day 3 and 4 ton pickups on bald mud terrains are the exception and not the rule on the roads.
Realizing this is tangential to Canyonero's quest, but obviously safety is a big concern for all of us. I remember the clap-traps I drove around in as a kid and I count myself lucky I never had a real accident, or it would have been bad. A lot of the new EVs are definitely becoming very safe - Tesla in particular has some very impressive crash test results - and hopefully autonomous driving will become both widely deployed, and accepted, in the next decade or so. Autopilot is getting there, so are Cadillac and Mercedes' early implementations although they're more dependent on the driver both due to algorithmic sophistication and lawyers than Autopilot.
With all that said, mass in an accident still matters, and that's one of the reasons I like the idea of my kids in something bigger. Given all the 8000 lb dualies running around our state, insurance costs aside I can't yet accept the idea of packaging my kids into something Tesla 3-sized and expecting AI to deliver them where they need to be safely, all the time.
Not yet anyway. If the goal of raising our kids is to get them to adulthood I'd rather pay the insurance premium to wrap them in 3 tons of steel while giving them the tools & skills to effectively manage driving themselves until the day AI really is an improvement over the median driver out there, and until the day 3 and 4 ton pickups on bald mud terrains are the exception and not the rule on the roads.
Most of our driving is city. I've actually looked into an off-lease Nissan Leaf. Yes it's limited to about 80 miles on a charge, but 90% of the driving my wife does is <10 miles per day, and a 2015 with ~20k miles is like $11-12k. Probably less useful in Colorado though.
LMAO! Last night I suggested a Leaf to my wife and she said “what is a Leaf?”. I showed her a pic and the response was “fugly! that’s not happening” lol! Debating if I should even mention the little Ev BMW
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In that class of EV, I think the Mercedes B-klasse is one of the nicest EVs out there. Used models are <$20k and leases can be had for <$300/mo. Maybe see if she rejects those out of hand... They're considerably less-weird inside and out than the Leaf or i3.
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Canyonero
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I have a handful of cars with various degrees of driver assistance - 4 that have adaptive cruise control. I thought acc was the coolest thing ever until I actually "drove" a Model X, and turned on autopilot only to find that car drives better than me. It parks better than me, too. It can fit into the smallest space, perfectly centered, in seconds. Parallel parks perfectly everytime with no wheel rash. And I consider myself pretty damned good at both driving and parking.
Tesla's also get better as time goes on, as they send the "over the air" updates to the cars with the latest and greatest software. I'm not sure I'm getting one yet, but I'm keeping a close eye on this space. My company has a few company cars (Priuses) and would benefit greatly from autonomous vehicles taking our people from A to B. Less risk, presumably lower insurance premiums, and more ability for the humans to be productive while traveling.
Humans are the biggest variable for AI cars to deal with. Even construction, bad roads and bad weather are no match for the sheer unpredictability of a human who is not paying attention.
Tesla's also get better as time goes on, as they send the "over the air" updates to the cars with the latest and greatest software. I'm not sure I'm getting one yet, but I'm keeping a close eye on this space. My company has a few company cars (Priuses) and would benefit greatly from autonomous vehicles taking our people from A to B. Less risk, presumably lower insurance premiums, and more ability for the humans to be productive while traveling.
Humans are the biggest variable for AI cars to deal with. Even construction, bad roads and bad weather are no match for the sheer unpredictability of a human who is not paying attention.
On the subject of cool tech, just saw this article today:
Does Cadillac Super Cruise Self-Driving Technology Actually Work? » AutoGuide.com News
Does Cadillac Super Cruise Self-Driving Technology Actually Work? » AutoGuide.com News
Keep in mind our roads. We have a lot faded paint lines and I noticed the X had to be corrected a few times when going over the faded paint line. Also the sensors are useless when it snows. The tech is without a doubt awesome but the roads have to be almost perfect for autonomous to work correctly. You will find it annoying when you flip the blinker on and wait for it to merge as it has to have way more distance than if you were to merge yourself, so you could be waiting to lane change while cars pass you by. Once it can recognize the road as we see it, then autonomous will be the future.
EV and solar array. I think more and more people will move this way.
I Tried to Power Three Electric Vehicles With Solar Panels
I Tried to Power Three Electric Vehicles With Solar Panels
