I agree with everything you stated.
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I agree with everything you stated.
While I was debating the LC purchase and lamenting the low fuel economy a friend said: it's a very safe car to haul your kids in and for safety's sake you can pay at the pump or the ER. Might be a bit dramatic, but in a collision I'd rather be the guy in the LC than the one in the Prius.
Canyonero
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When are you getting the Tesla X?
There are 6-8 in my neighborhood. Owners are very happy with them. Most of these people previously owned X6M, Range Rovers, G wagen, GLS550 etc
Advanced congrats on the new Tesla X. Post pics when you get it
That's great to hear you have some real-world knowledge on people happy with the X. Many naysayers abound regarding that vehicle.
I'm also not sure why Americans are not 100% behind a company like Tesla. Even if you can't afford one of their cars, it seems like it would be something you'd be positive about. I read a lot of negative comments about the company and their vehicles (not just here, but elsewhere as well). They're an American company and they are making amazing EV's. They are working at making the air cleaner - a goal that seems fairly apolitical to me. If your electricity comes from a coal plant, you can buy solar panels and a powerwall as well. Yeah, it's all expensive. That doesn't mean it's not worthwhile, and solar panels have dropped dramatically in price and have become significantly more efficient, as have batteries. This is largely due to early adopters biting the bullet and paying for the R&D with their purchases. Seems to me there is more of a "liberal elite" stigma on solar and EV's. Maybe I'm off-base, but that's what I've picked up on - not just here, but elsewhere.
I'm not 100% sure I'm buying the Model X yet, but probably 90% sure we're getting it. Looks like late November, as I have some big (for me) transactions going on in November and I don't want to rock the boat. I'm selling the Florida operation of my business and closing on a good chunk of land in Pine, CO (about an hour from Denver) where we plan to build a family cabin.
I love my 200, and I'm also not 100% sure I will sell it. It should be back from the body shop in a few weeks and I'm sure when it's all shiny and new-looking again I will probably fall in love with it!
If I do get the X, I will definitely post up some pictures. I might put the 200 on the market just to test the upper limits on pricing, knowing I don't need to sell it. If I do sell and cash out, I would then get the X.
I really want to like Tesla honestly, but the price just annoys me, and the fact that a coal powered plant powers the batteries just seems just odd to me.
Personally I never understood why Tesla didn’t stick with super or hyper cars for branding purposes of then pushing the residential home energy & battery part of their business more. I’d rather drop $30-60k on panels and batteries for my house that make my electric bill go nill, than on a depreciating asset such as a car.
But that’s just like my opinion man ; )
Personally I never understood why Tesla didn’t stick with super or hyper cars for branding purposes of then pushing the residential home energy & battery part of their business more. I’d rather drop $30-60k on panels and batteries for my house that make my electric bill go nill, than on a depreciating asset such as a car.
But that’s just like my opinion man ; )
I can testify to this being true. It's good to be in a well built 6000lb Beast versus some low to the ground light weight electric/high tech coffin. Kinda like Mike Tyson vs Floyd Mayweather I'm betting on Mike.
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But hey, I'll take it anyway.
Remember when you wrote this?
Emphasis mine.
Being just text on the Internet, please know this is mostly tongue-in-cheek and friendly in spirit!My take: we all like to take up the causes of the things we find important and interesting, and in these cases it's totally understandable to want to defend a product, ideal, or person!
It's a strong part of the modern zeitgeist - and I'm certainly not immune, so please don't think this is some better-than-thou statement!
But even a cool company like Tesla isn't without its flaws - and not all products produced by Tesla or any other firm are by virtue of the parent company inherently good - so when you float an opinion to a group of auto enthusiasts for something that even in retrospect would go against the grain of your own prior sentiments, hey, sometimes you'll get unexpected feedback.
With all that said given your current perspective I'm certain you will enjoy an X regardless.
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Canyonero
Beating up Land Cruisers since 2015
Canyonero
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The 8 Biggest Corporate Welfare Recipients in America
Don’t get too excited next time you get on a Boeing airplane then, either. Tesla doesn’t mke any list I could find of the top subsidized companies.
I like Tesla for bringing back EV in a better cooler technological package. However they really aren’t very good at vehicle design yet. Have you sat in the back of a Tesla car? The rear seats are so low that my young kids hated it because their knees were pointing towards the roof. The interior for 100k+ car is very spartan and Kia cheap. If I’m dropping $130k it better smell like leather and wrap me with 14-18 way seats seen in Mercs and Porsche’s. In fact Porsche is on Tesla’s doorstep next year with the Porsche mission E which hands down blows away the Tesla in styling alone, plus the interior is pretty insane. The Cayenne and Panamera are next
Porsche’s electric Mission E arrives in 2019, priced like Panamera
Porsche’s electric Mission E arrives in 2019, priced like Panamera
Canyonero
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GM gets far more government subsidy dollars than Tesla, by a long shot. Has for years. $3.5 billion compared to $1.3 billion according to sources I found. Let me know if you find otherwise, but this is public data.
Yet... very little mention of GM being a welfare queen, and everywhere I turn, people are peddling that same trope about Tesla. It’s a very common theme on the internet from conservatives.
Could it be because of image? After all, electric vehicles aren’t big sellers in red states. Conservatives have been talking s*** about solar and EV’s for a very long time.
Yet... very little mention of GM being a welfare queen, and everywhere I turn, people are peddling that same trope about Tesla. It’s a very common theme on the internet from conservatives.
Could it be because of image? After all, electric vehicles aren’t big sellers in red states. Conservatives have been talking s*** about solar and EV’s for a very long time.
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I checked out a Model X today at a local mall Tesla Showroom. The doors were up...and it dawned on me just how HIGH they reach! I don’t get it. They were SO high, they would surely wack the ceiling of many indoor lots here. Seemed sorta odd to me.
Have you any idea how high they reach? They were waaay up there...
Have you any idea how high they reach? They were waaay up there...
I was going to respond to your comment re: the "liberal elite" that are pro-Tesla, but I think if anyone is taking sides in EVs, it's the other side of the aisle.
Anyway, for the sake of clarity - up to this point politically it's frequently been conservatives that are anti-Tesla, not only in part due to the $7,500 EV tax credit being seen as too-large liberal-driven government largesse, but also as undue application of tax dollars and redistribution of wealth, established Big Auto interests with deep lobbying pockets feeling the threat of a disruptor, you name it.
Witness the local drama:
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So... Yeah, there's that.
Anyway, for the sake of clarity - up to this point politically it's frequently been conservatives that are anti-Tesla, not only in part due to the $7,500 EV tax credit being seen as too-large liberal-driven government largesse, but also as undue application of tax dollars and redistribution of wealth, established Big Auto interests with deep lobbying pockets feeling the threat of a disruptor, you name it.
Witness the local drama:
Behind the Quiet State-by-State Fight Over Electric Vehicles said:
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So... Yeah, there's that.
Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies
As a conservative, I love ev cars, just wish they made them more like cars and not some weird design that isn’t totally thought out. I also have a long list of conservative friends and family members who like the idea of ev as well, but won’t buy them because they look like a weird transformer or school art project. Let’s all be honest here, they aren’t the most beautiful looking cars when you compare them in price to Mercs, Porsche’s and Audi’s. Solar panels are hideous as to why I don’t like them on a roof of a home but the Tesla tiles are something I’d buy and endorse wholeheartedly if they weren’t so expensive.
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And the government should have let GM implode. Just like how Musk's companies would implode without subsides. Much like Hoover let the banks take a s*** during the depression. The key to a successful business shouldn't be a raid on the US Treasury.
I'm not a conservative, more of a libertarian.
I'm not a conservative, more of a libertarian.
The doors have sensors and won’t hit anything next to it or above it. Pretty cool actually
Markuson
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Ah. So they were maybe just at maximum height in the showroom...? Makes sense.
