Sell me on a 470

[jaewastooshort]

Forgive me for derailing but the whole diesel emissions thing is a joke. DEF is worse for the environment than trucks spewing out a little soot. Not advocating for rolling coal as I think it's just a waste of fuel/looks dumb unless it's a pulling truck.

I actually admire VW for cheating on emissions. I wish they didn't get caught; the cars made great fuel economy and were more reliable without emissions stuff.

We had a '12 TDI wagon that we were getting around 45 mpg in until the buy-back when they threatened us with the car being blacklisted from street registration... we put about 120k miles on it before they bought it back, but that's what pushed me into getting my LX.

My brother has been looking at getting one as well, but his wife is pregnant with his third kid (they're planning for 4) and he just traded in his lifted Ram and his wife's Jeep in on a Sienna. He decided to go the logical route and get a people hauler that gets 40+ mpg and wait until it's paid off to start looking for a LC/LX as a toy.

 

[Rhetoric]

Forgive me for derailing but the whole diesel emissions thing is a joke. DEF is worse for the environment than trucks spewing out a little soot. Not advocating for rolling coal as I think it's just a waste of fuel/looks dumb unless it's a pulling truck.

I actually admire VW for cheating on emissions. I wish they didn't get caught; the cars made great fuel economy and were more reliable without emissions stuff.

Admiring cheaters is an interesting stance. But yes, I wish they wouldnt have gotten caught as it wrecked any hopes of getting even more fun diesel cars in the future.

I will always have a soft spot for the diesels. I was tuned with a bigger turbo, exhaust, blah blah blah.

But have you driven a VW lately? They should come with a map to the landfill.

Back on topic: Has the OP been back? Maybe he joined a Sienna forum?

 

[MongooseGA]

Admiring cheaters is an interesting stance. But yes, I wish they wouldnt have gotten caught as it wrecked any hopes of getting even more fun diesel cars in the future.

I will always have a soft spot for the diesels. I was tuned with a bigger turbo, exhaust, blah blah blah.

But have you driven a VW lately? They should come with a map to the landfill.

Back on topic: Has the OP been back? Maybe he joined a Sienna forum?

Lots of people admire cheaters. That's why there were so many "Ocean's" films.

 

[Foehammer]

Admiring cheaters is an interesting stance. But yes, I wish they wouldnt have gotten caught as it wrecked any hopes of getting even more fun diesel cars in the future.

I will always have a soft spot for the diesels. I was tuned with a bigger turbo, exhaust, blah blah blah.

But have you driven a VW lately? They should come with a map to the landfill.

Back on topic: Has the OP been back? Maybe he joined a Sienna forum?

The Fed's are the ones cheating the people. Automakers forced to produce lower quality-less reliable vehicles. Parts are now engineered to fail due to complex and useless emissions parts. Look at our own ancient trucks; manifolds so thin in order to heat up the cats faster. And it's 100 times worse today. So yeah, I admire someone cheating. Just like the shops deleting diesel trucks in order to get true potential out of the vehicle.

 

[MongooseGA]

The Fed's are the ones cheating the people. Automakers forced to produce lower quality-less reliable vehicles. Parts are now engineered to fail due to complex and useless emissions parts. Look at our own ancient trucks; manifolds so thin in order to heat up the cats faster. And it's 100 times worse today. So yeah, I admire someone cheating. Just like the shops deleting diesel trucks in order to get true potential out of the vehicle.

Don't worry, I'm still out here in my 350k mile 1985 Mercedes TD doing my part to make up for all the hybrids and EVs.

 

[Foehammer]

Don't worry, I'm still out here in my 350k mile 1985 Mercedes TD doing my part to make up for all the hybrids and EVs.

Love it

 

[Rhetoric]

The Fed's are the ones cheating the people. Automakers forced to produce lower quality-less reliable vehicles. Parts are now engineered to fail due to complex and useless emissions parts. Look at our own ancient trucks; manifolds so thin in order to heat up the cats faster. And it's 100 times worse today. So yeah, I admire someone cheating. Just like the shops deleting diesel trucks in order to get true potential out of the vehicle.

I admire mansplaining to other men on the internet.

 

[NE Snowman]

Wow, OP came here hoping people would tell him it’s a great idea to buy one?

Mud sends him more financial advice than he was ready for. I agree with everyone else, sell the Bronco buy a cheap minivan and save up till you can afford an off-roader. Over $10k in car payments a year? Pile that up as cash my guy.

I also agree with all the emissions bull****, we’re out here recycling harder than any “greenie”. Mud been saving LCs from junkyards and land fills for years.

These are wonderful trucks, cheap to maintain correctly they are not. Wrench yourself, buy OEM parts when they’re on sale is a huge wallet saver though.

 

[MongooseGA]

And now everyone on the Bronco forum is offering underwater commiseration.

 

[NE Snowman]

Don't worry, I'm still out here in my 350k mile 1985 Mercedes TD doing my part to make up for all the hybrids and EVs.

I worked on a jobsite with someone who had a Merc old diesel, apart from the oil leaks(he might check his gas and fill the oil) it had over 400k on the dash.

 

[Foehammer]

I worked on a jobsite with someone who had an old diesel, apart from the oil leaks(he might check his gas and fill the oil) it had over 400k on the dash.

My buddies younger brother bought a 1st gen Cummins when he was 14; thing has over 500k (kms) and barely broken in. He will have the truck till he dies. Truck smokes hard when you dump the clutch; still more environmentally friendly than buying a new Tesla/ev every couple of years.

 

[Patron100LC]

I believe OP didn't even considered how hard it is to "Trade Down".

It's very easy to trade up, you go with your 4-5 yo car to a dealership, they sell you a new car, the upside down "fades" in a small payment increase, the banks will offer 120-140% finance advance on a new unit, and you drive off with an upside down car from day 1.

Now try doing that the other way.. Go to a dealer with an upside down $900/mo 3-4 YO car and try to get a bank to approve 130% advance on an old car full of miles, they just won't.
He wanted to get out of a grand a month payment, and now they're asking him to put $5-10k down payment to be in Another finance contract for a few years.. most will just keep paying the original car, or default. (or park it in the wrong place).

So he said "well, I just sell it to the dealer, how hard can it be?"

So now you're trying to sell a 3-4 YO car you're buried into 10s of thousands BC the sales person convinced you in adding the $12,599 apocalypse package and $8899 monster truck wheels when you got it, right at the height of the market when the Bronco just came out, got it at $20k over MSRP because ford was moving them like hot muffins making up a story about "shortage in chips", and now you owe Ford Motor Credit $85k on a POS that's worth $40k wholesale if lucky. So good luck selling it.

Guess what I owe on my 19yo "Luxury Cruiser"? Do I care if the paint is faded? Do I care if most people think it's a Highlander?

Every time my wife comes to me with the story "when are we going to replace my 2012 RX for a new car?" I just give it a wash and a wax, and spray some freshener with leather scent in it. Been working for me for several years.

 

[MongooseGA]

Every time my wife comes to me with the story "when are we going to replace my 2012 RX for a new car?" I just give it a wash and a wax, and spray some freshener with leather scent in it. Been working for me for several years.

Mine went the other way. She got rid of her modern Lexus IS to get her dream car, a 1986 El Camino. I didn't love it at first, but dammit I think it's pretty cool she wanted it.

Plus, an IS is a nail artist's chick car anyway.

 

[Kabanstva]

Sounds like you should buy a minivan.

Agreed. Just get a Sienna. Seriously the best family vehicle you can buy.

 

[Kabanstva]

Oh and have you driven an LX? You CANNOT compare that to a Bronco or. Wrangler in any way. Those things are absolute piles of S*** on the road I am sorry. I don’t even give a crap how good they could be offroad, driving one of those on the street or highway is a torture dude. Tents on wheels. The LX drives closer to a Rolls Royce than a Jeep or Ford Bronco.

 

[awesomeissquid]

I think we might have scared OP away....

 

[MechE30]

Oh and have you driven an LX? You CANNOT compare that to a Bronco or. Wrangler in any way. Those things are absolute piles of S*** on the road I am sorry. I don’t even give a crap how good they could be offroad, driving one of those on the street or highway is a torture dude. Tents on wheels. The LX drives closer to a Rolls Royce than a Jeep or Ford Bronco.

Agreed. My father bought a 2022 Rubicon and I cannot believe how poorly it drives on the road. Trails are impressive though.

 

[Coin]

Back to the emissions discussion…

I hope car makers grab hold of the recent Chevron case at the Supreme Court and tell the epa to pound sand.

The cars we could get would be epic! Time will tell.