Running too lean and stall when taking foot off brake or reversing (3 Viewers)

[fowlerjk]

Predecessor to this...I got the "won't start" issue first, which appeared to be an immobilizer issue, but that has seemingly gone away in lieu of this.

I get an intermittent "too lean" error code and the following symptoms:

• Sometimes will not start when engine is hot; fixed by goosing the throttle IMMEDIATELY upon cranking
• Threatens to stall out when put in reverse
• Threatens to stall out when releasing brake and applying gas

This LC100 is new to me, acquired in November. I have experience with Land Rover Discovery models. This is my first LC.

What should I start chasing?

 

[Biga27110]

Any misfire codes? Im thinking lean it has a fuel issue or crack in intake for unmetered air.

Fuel pump, fuel filter, injectors?

What year is the truck?

 

[fowlerjk]

Any misfire codes? Im thinking lean it has a fuel issue or crack in intake for unmetered air.

Fuel pump, fuel filter, injectors?

What year is the truck?

2001. No code lately but I think it’s fired 1071 before. It won’t be long before it does again.

Also just stalled out on a right right turn.

 

[Biga27110]

2001. No code lately but I think it’s fired 1071 before. It won’t be long before it does again.

Also just stalled out on a right right turn.

Have you pulled the MAF and throttle body to clean. I would try to baseline everything. The senior members of the board will probably post the exact solution.

 

[fowlerjk]

I can definitely pull those, I did that when I replaced the valve covers on my Land Rover. I wonder if I have a fuel filter or pump issue. This seems to only happen at higher temperatures. Reminiscent of my 1996 Discovery, which ultimately resulted in me getting a new fuel pump.

If it helps, I have the TechStream software.

 

[fowlerjk]

Update!

I replaced the fuel filter and MAF. Ran BG44k through my tank as well. Does better on cold starts and seems to run smoother, but the problem continues with a hot engine. I have new codes as well: P0441 and P0446. This is an evap system issue, looks like?

 

[2001LC]

Stalls related to motion like in turns. Is very often, a short. Number one being loose battery connection. Check all connection from and to: alternator, battery, fuse box and starter.

98-05 bad Fuel pump or going bad. We tend to see crank no start. Then it will start. Then again crank no start. This sometimes goes on for years. Other times, dead on first occurrence.
When crank no start happens, and security light is off. Stop and disconnect fuel line from downstream of fuel filter (squeeze green clip to release fuel line):

• If the fuel pump was pumping, you'll get a spray of gasoline as fuel pressure released. WARNING: Fuel vapor is highly combustible, open flame, one spark, even high heat can ignite it.
• If no fuel pressure released. Likely bad fuel pump. Can also be circuit to fuel pump, not getting 12 Volts power to pump. Fuel tend to fail over 250K miles, but seen it even at 150K miles on 98-05.

Fuel filters, do get clogged. Always replaced when replacing fuel pump. Or just as a baseline during turn up.


Evap DTC:
Check gas cap (seal), and that cap tight (one or more clicks).
Look at gas cap fill area. Is dirty crudy looking. If so, likely sign of fuel boiling. Which is often a sign of, a contaminated charcoal canister. We may then see, engine stalls when hot. When coming to a stop at a red light/stop sign. This is not common in the 98-02, but happens.

Make sure engine well tuned:
This includes making sure all spark plugs and all vacuum lines good. Also that, coolant systems working as it should.
Check all EVAP line and the VSV (vacuum switching valve) on BK1 side on intake manifold, and the EVAP line vacuum line attached to it and fuel tank.

With turn up, especially when disconnect MAF. Disconnect battery negative post first (minimum 20 minutes), reattach last.

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[fowlerjk]

Stalls related to motion like in turns. Is very often, a short. Number one being loose battery connection. Check all connection from and to: alternator, battery, fuse box and starter.

98-05 bad Fuel pump or going bad. We tend to see crank no start. Then it will start. Then again crank no start. This sometimes goes on for years. Other times, dead on first occurrence.
When crank no start happens, and security light is off. Stop and disconnect fuel line from downstream of fuel filter (squeeze green clip to release fuel line):

• If the fuel pump was pumping, you'll get a spray of gasoline as fuel pressure released. WARNING: Fuel vapor is highly combustible, open flame, one spark, even high heat can ignite it.
• If no fuel pressure released. Likely bad fuel pump. Can also be circuit to fuel pump, not getting 12 Volts power to pump. Fuel tend to fail over 250K miles, but seen it even at 150K miles on 98-05.

Fuel filters, do get clogged. Always replaced when replacing fuel pump. Or just as a baseline during turn up.


Evap DTC:
Check gas cap (seal), and that cap tight (one or more clicks).
Look at gas cap fill area. Is dirty crudy looking. If so, likely sign of fuel boiling. Which is often a sign of, a contaminated charcoal canister. We may then see, engine stalls when hot. When coming to a stop at a red light/stop sign. This is not common in the 98-02, but happens.

Make sure engine well tuned:
This includes making sure all spark plugs and all vacuum lines good. Also that, coolant systems working as it should.
Check all EVAP line and the VSV (vacuum switching valve) on BK1 side on intake manifold, and the EVAP line vacuum line attached to it and fuel tank.

With turn up, especially when disconnect MAF. Disconnect battery negative post first (minimum 20 minutes), reattach last.

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You rock, sir.

I haven't checked the vacuum assembly yet, but did get a new (used) charcoal canister and replaced that yesterday. Test driving a bit indicates it has helped because situations in which I would stall out have gone smoothly. No codes thrown yet with new canister. If I run into another problem, I'll be running down your list here.

 

[fowlerjk]

Well, spoke too soon.
When engine is over 200F, I get major problems starting up and the fuel smell. So now I guess it’s time to look at the vacuum system. 441 and 446 thrown again.

Died when pulling in a driveway. Tried to restart, goosed the throttle, and BAM! Something under the hood popped. Opened hood, intake from air filter to throttle body was on fire right at the rectangular intake (whatever that is). Apparently the vapors made it there. It is currently being towed to my mechanic. I cringe to think at what the cost will be but I know he will solve the issue instead of chasing it like me.

Update: shop has to replace all the intake stuff and something on the throttle cable that is missing. Then they can fix the evap problem. I made a nearly $2,000 mistake by blowing up the intake.

 

[fowlerjk]

It's been a while since I posted but the problem remains.

Got it back from the shop after they replaced all the intake stuff. No codes while they had it. Apart from the intake, they had to replace the charcoal canister because the one I rolled in with was full of fuel. Since getting it back, I I replaced the fan clutch and thermostat, which brought my running temps down from ~205F to ~184F. That helped some. But the hot start issue persists. There is a new wrinkle: I noticed that the engine will threaten to stall whenever I turn the wheel if in idle or coming from a stop. I found one other thread on this and the culprit was a switched hose. I also get P0441 and P0446 now. And, at last fillup, the pump stopped before it was full, twice.

So, in a nutshell:
- Hot start is difficult
- Stall threat when in idle and turning wheel either direction
- Smell of fumes when engine has been running a while
- Gas nozzle stops a couple of times at tank fill-up, with less than half a tank filled
- P0441 and P0446

I know it's something to do with the evap system. But what?

 

[2001LC]

Switching idle up hose?

 

[fowlerjk]

Switching idle up hose?

This is the first time I’m hearing of such a thing. Link to explain? Definitely worth a shot. It’s in the 90s here and while the truck started up just fine last night, it would not perform a cold start today after sitting out in the driveway all day.

 

[leveeguy]

Idle up hoses connect just above the power steering pump. There's two hoses that connect there, one above the other. I think he means to swap those two hoses where they connect and see if any improvement.

 

[OEMGUY0720]

It's been a while since I posted but the problem remains.

Got it back from the shop after they replaced all the intake stuff.

What are those stuff if you don’t mind sharing? Vacuum hoses? Clamps?

No codes while they had it. Apart from the intake, they had to replace the charcoal canister because the one I rolled in with was full of fuel. Since getting it back, I I replaced the fan clutch and thermostat, which brought my running temps down from ~205F to ~184F. That helped some. But the hot start issue persists. There is a new wrinkle:

I noticed that the engine will threaten to stall whenever I turn the wheel if in idle or coming from a stop.

If it threatens to stall when turning , it’s a power -steering vacuum related issue, start from there; check the idle up valve and hoses.

I found one other thread on this and the culprit was a switched hose. I also get P0441 and P0446 now. And, at last fillup, the pump stopped before it was full, twice.

So, in a nutshell:
- Hot start is difficult
- Stall threat when in idle and turning wheel either direction
- Smell of fumes when engine has been running a while
- Gas nozzle stops a couple of times at tank fill-up, with less than half a tank filled
- P0441 and P0446

I know it's something to do with the evap system. But what?

If you smell gas, it’s a fuel venting issue. Fuel venting issue can be attributed to as simple as ammonia faulty gas cap (go OEM), or evap canister, or fuel filter, or gas tank excessively heating up (can be mitigated easily by insulating the gas tank sides only where it is exposed to the exhaust piping.

 

[2001LC]

This is the first time I’m hearing of such a thing. Link to explain? Definitely worth a shot. It’s in the 90s here and while the truck started up just fine last night, it would not perform a cold start today after sitting out in the driveway all day.

It's been a while since I posted but the problem remains.

Got it back from the shop after they replaced all the intake stuff. No codes while they had it. Apart from the intake, they had to replace the charcoal canister because the one I rolled in with was full of fuel. Since getting it back, I I replaced the fan clutch and thermostat, which brought my running temps down from ~205F to ~184F. That helped some. But the hot start issue persists. There is a new wrinkle: I noticed that the engine will threaten to stall whenever I turn the wheel if in idle or coming from a stop. I found one other thread on this and the culprit was a switched hose. I also get P0441 and P0446 now. And, at last fillup, the pump stopped before it was full, twice.

So, in a nutshell:
- Hot start is difficult
- Stall threat when in idle and turning wheel either direction
- Smell of fumes when engine has been running a while
- Gas nozzle stops a couple of times at tank fill-up, with less than half a tank filled
- P0441 and P0446

I know it's something to do with the evap system. But what?

Switching idle up hose?

I'm not saying "switch the idle up control vacuum lines". I'm asking, is that what other thread you found was stating.