Restoring Hank

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Some photos of this week's blasting. The PO got some tar gunk all over the bottom which has been time consuming to remove.

Axles are off!

This is so cool I could almost cry with excitement! Looking so clean. Lot more photos, but here's a selection.

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Whole lot easier to sandblast with axels removed. Thats cheating a lot of us did it with the axels in place. But still have to climb on your back to blast the bottom side. But thats why you have someone else do it. Using my rail trailer made it easier to get to the underside with the body still on. Looking good.
 
Researching Roll Cage Upgrades

I'll definitely be toting kids in the back, so I'm investigating options for upgrading the cage.

btw - "family cage" returns a whole lot of Nicolas Cage results on the Google. o_O

Gallery - many custom I believe
http://www.ih8mud.com/member-mods/roll-cages/
http://www.ih8mud.com/images/cages/index.php


The predominant options found:

MetalTech - Jackson
http://www.metaltech4x4.com/p-13-fj40-land-cruiser-pre-built-jackson-roll-cage.aspx

MetalTech - Full Profile
http://www.metaltech4x4.com/p-12-fj40-land-cruiser-pre-built-full-profile-cage.aspx

Redline - Family Cage
http://redlinelandcruisers.com/product/fj40-roll-cage-kit-family/

Redline - Old School Cage
http://redlinelandcruisers.com/product/fj40-roll-cage-kit-old-school-family-cage/

I don’t like the horizontal bar across the dash

Proffitt’s (closed)
http://www.proffittscruisers.com/in...id=14&vmcchk=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1

Man-a-Fre used to make one, but it appears to be no longer available on their site.

As I've said before, I'm not doing advanced trail riding or rock crawling. I will definitely find a trail from time to time.

I would prefer to do the least damage/modification to the 40 when adding a more robust cage. And I want something that fits under the hard top and a soft top such as the Ehsan top or Trollhole's.

Other options I'm missing here?
 
The PO got some tar gunk all over the bottom which has been time consuming to remove.

if you mean the stuff in the driver footwell, that was OEM
 
Researching Roll Cage Upgrades

I'll definitely be toting kids in the back, so I'm investigating options for upgrading the cage.

btw - "family cage" returns a whole lot of Nicolas Cage results on the Google. o_O

Gallery - many custom I believe
http://www.ih8mud.com/member-mods/roll-cages/
http://www.ih8mud.com/images/cages/index.php


The predominant options found:

MetalTech - Jackson
http://www.metaltech4x4.com/p-13-fj40-land-cruiser-pre-built-jackson-roll-cage.aspx

MetalTech - Full Profile
http://www.metaltech4x4.com/p-12-fj40-land-cruiser-pre-built-full-profile-cage.aspx

Redline - Family Cage
http://redlinelandcruisers.com/product/fj40-roll-cage-kit-family/

Redline - Old School Cage
http://redlinelandcruisers.com/product/fj40-roll-cage-kit-old-school-family-cage/

I don’t like the horizontal bar across the dash

Proffitt’s (closed)
http://www.proffittscruisers.com/in...id=14&vmcchk=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1

Man-a-Fre used to make one, but it appears to be no longer available on their site.

As I've said before, I'm not doing advanced trail riding or rock crawling. I will definitely find a trail from time to time.

I would prefer to do the least damage/modification to the 40 when adding a more robust cage. And I want something that fits under the hard top and a soft top such as the Ehsan top or Trollhole's.

Other options I'm missing here?

contact lcwizard here on MUD and see what he offers = 4 Plus Products - he is in Globe, AZ, so sorta local to your truck (he used to make the Man-a-Fre 4+ stuff)
 
126 new photos of progress posted here: https://it.thislife.com/XN8kdUDn

Lots of blasting, cleanup, going through the differentials, more cleaning, removing the u-bolts in prep for a flip, and some painting.

@Mechnizer action shots FTW!

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Had a brief exchange with @lcwizard about a family cage. I really like this option.

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Packing our bags for a visit to the desert. Don't know that it'll be as epic as the Commander's adventures which I just caught up on, but I'm certain it will be memorable.

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@RWBeringer4x4, @kruisinkid, @pavieSD, @Vae Victus - thanks for the speedo tips. I'll continue the google adventure and tinker with that when the time comes. If I can't get the gears just right, there's always "an app for that". I won't be defacing the dials or dash; I do want to keep the stock look.

I'm not a purist on this restoration, but I'd call my direction stock-ish. It seems to me a resto-mod tends to throw in more modern conveniences like digital dash, stereo/speakers, flares, lifts, LED lights, etc. I might pick a little into that, but to start I want to stay fairly true.

side note: I realized last night while reading @shipmag and @kruisinkid build threads just how much I actually comprehend now compared to a year ago when these threads were all gibberish to me. Not too long ago I had no idea how to conduct a compression test. :)

Finally came across that thread: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/speed-calculation.793952/
 
Latest work photos: https://it.thislife.com/XN8kdUDn

Trip photos: https://it.thislife.com/AX65B8jE

Our trip to Phoenix to visit Mike, Wendy, and of course Hank, started with a bang. Angie and I sat for an extra hour at the airport while Southwest assessed the damage to the plane from a lightning strike that left a big black char mark above the front door. We had just spent most of the previous night in the basement hiding from tornados, so caution was already our mode of operation. After an hour or so they replaced it with a different plane and we were on our way.

We landed and began our search for the rental center which we learned was nowhere near the terminal as the reservation had indicated. Thankfully we were able to walk right up to the counter. We had decided to take a convertible so we could enjoy a drive up to Sedona and see the sites better. The only option we had was a Mustang, and we soon learned this meant we had to stand at that counter and watch dozens of people come and go with their rides. I seem to have that kind of luck with rentals.

As Angie said near the end of the trip, "We are just not Mustang people.” No, no we are not.

Finally we were on our way to the hotel, car pool lane, and 75mph speed limit in the city. 75?!

After we checked in it was time to head over to Mike and Wendy’s. Wendy gave me very specific directions which I did not very specifically write down. My notes were a word game of "sounds like". And I have GPS, so why bother?

As we made our first turn into the maze of streets near their place, we soon learned "why bother". Yes the streets all connect, but no the pavement doesn’t always go all the way. Wendy had given me the paved path. If I was in my 40, no problem. But the Mustang wasn’t two things: quick and off road.

Wendy was in the driveway to greet us, which was really helpful because I was driving right past her. The first thing you learn about their house is they have dogs. Lots of them. And they are all sizes. Oh, and cats. I made my way through to the garage where Mike was still hard at work on the brakes.

We had an instant connection. I wasn’t meeting someone for the first time. I was reunited with a kindred spirit, a long lost friend. Like Mike said as I was leaving two days later, “we are brothers”.

And just like that, finally, after weeks and weeks of phone calls and batches of photos, I was standing in the presence of my FJ40 Land Cruiser. I could touch it. Smell it. I was in desert heaven.

I started wandering around looking at things and rattling off questions to Mike as he described first hand what he’s found in pulling it apart. By this point the cruiser is in pieces and piles all over the yard.

Mike didn’t cut the crossmember as I’d thought, the PO did. And the second frame was their attempt to repair it. They made a right good mess of it from what I could see. Mike is going to repair the second frame, and fab a new crossmember to repair mine.

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The secondary tank, which looks to be a custom fab job, is rusted and pretty worthless. While I wouldn’t necessarily turn down the extra gas, the reality is I don’t need it. I plan to flat tow for longer distances. If I decide I need the extra I may opt for the long range tank and put that under the seats. For now I think we’ll go with the stock tank and cover up the secondary spout.

Over the past week or so, Mike’s done a third member swap, rebuilt knuckles, rebuilt hubs, wheel bearing repack and reseal, all new seals, and tie rod ends replaced. Basically, everything is new. Same with rear axle, it's set up with disc brakes and using the front third member with low miles to give this cruiser new life.

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One of the springs needs to be re-arched. Once that’s done, and the bottom is sealed and painted, he can get things put back together.

Very soon will be digging into the 2F. The split transfer case we believe is from a 60. For a brief moment when pulling it apart we thought we might have an H55, but that was quickly ruled out. Still it seems the 60 upgrade ought to make for smoother shifting and if I recall a better low range.

On Saturday, Angie and I took a run up to Sedona in the Mustang to see the sights. I was really hoping to spot more vintage cruisers in the desert, but suffered counting Jeeps instead. We did however spy a couple old Scouts. In Missouri I’ll see a Scout II sometimes, but they don’t look like this. I snapped a pretty nice pic heading up 179 to Sedona.

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Before we left on Sunday, I twisted Mike’s arm into taking me for a spin in his 40. It’s quite a climb to heave up into that beast! Despite its height, it felt completely stable. And wow does the F have power. It was clear to me in that moment that every FJ40 I test drove was in gross disrepair by comparison. These old tractors can run really well with the right attention.

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I’m so thrilled to have my new brother working on Hank. I’m gaining way more than a truck.

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Enough of that sappy stuff. Back to researching.

Drop Down Tailgate

I’ve order a TrollHole Soft Top, OD Green Canvas. So, I’m gonna need a tailgate.

I’d love to end up with something like this:

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From what I understand, original FST models had a drop down tailgate, but they are hard to find.

Options

Used - not sure he still has it, but I’ve asked. Would need some restoration and hardware.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/ca-fj40-tailgate-fst-doors.630956/

Aqualu 4010 (bolt on) or 4012 (drop down) - the finish is either smooth or diamond plate.
http://www.aqualu.com/land-cruiser-accessories.html

CCOT - Bolt On / Flat
http://coolfj40.stores.yahoo.net/tailgatefj40.html

Real Steel Bolt On / stock shape
http://www.mcssl.com/store/real-steel-cruiser-part/tail-gates-1958-84/bolt-on-tail-gate

Real Steel Drop down stock shape
http://www.mcssl.com/store/real-steel-cruiser-part/tail-gates-1958-84/drop-down-tail-gate

SOR Drop down stock shape- pricey
http://www.sor.com/cat131.sor

SOR has a fiberglass option for cheaper.

The hardware seems to be an additional deal in most if not all cases.

Anyone have experience with any of these?

Are there other options to achieve the drop down with stock look?
 
Finding a nice used one will cost you a mint. If you going for a stock look I wouldn't consider aluminum or fiberglass. Real steel has the best option in my opinion.


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I know a guy that might sell you a factory FST tailgate he has. His screen name is Redgrr.
 
Finding a nice used one will cost you a mint. If you going for a stock look I wouldn't consider aluminum or fiberglass. Real steel has the best option in my opinion.

I'm with you, Real Steel is my leading option. I need to get bows too, so might order all at once if a better option doesn't present itself.

I know a guy that might sell you a factory FST tailgate he has. His screen name is Redgrr.

Cool, thx. I've msg'd him.

The one I linked to previously is sold, which I figured given it was an old post. Still, ya never know.
 
Enough of that sappy stuff. Back to researching.

Drop Down Tailgate

I’ve order a TrollHole Soft Top, OD Green Canvas. So, I’m gonna need a tailgate.

I’d love to end up with something like this:

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From what I understand, original FST models had a drop down tailgate, but they are hard to find.

Options

Used - not sure he still has it, but I’ve asked. Would need some restoration and hardware.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/ca-fj40-tailgate-fst-doors.630956/

Aqualu 4010 (bolt on) or 4012 (drop down) - the finish is either smooth or diamond plate.
http://www.aqualu.com/land-cruiser-accessories.html

CCOT - Bolt On / Flat
http://coolfj40.stores.yahoo.net/tailgatefj40.html

Real Steel Bolt On / stock shape
http://www.mcssl.com/store/real-steel-cruiser-part/tail-gates-1958-84/bolt-on-tail-gate

Real Steel Drop down stock shape
http://www.mcssl.com/store/real-steel-cruiser-part/tail-gates-1958-84/drop-down-tail-gate

SOR Drop down stock shape- pricey
http://www.sor.com/cat131.sor

SOR has a fiberglass option for cheaper.

The hardware seems to be an additional deal in most if not all cases.

Anyone have experience with any of these?

Are there other options to achieve the drop down with stock look?


I got an OEM tailgate used locally - hard to come by, though

also, I would ask around in the Arizona forums - and screen Craigslist Phoenix and Tucson
 
Since you're fabbing and repainting anyways, you can also get a set of rear half doors. They are not as rare as the tailgate option. Something like this:

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Are planning on running a soft top all the time? Might find someone looking to do a trade hard top for soft top parts. Cruiser is in the right part of the country to find good rust free parts.

Nah, I'll swap them. I know it's not super easy, but our seasons are pretty drastic. 100 in the summer. -20 in the winter (this winter anyway). Not that I'm going to necessarily run this all year. TBD

I got an OEM tailgate used locally - hard to come by, though

also, I would ask around in the Arizona forums - and screen Craigslist Phoenix and Tucson

Good call, I'm looking. If you see any... :)

Since you're fabbing and repainting anyways, you can also get a set of rear half doors. They are not as rare as the tailgate option. Something like this:

That's an option. It's been in the back of my head, to go with half doors. Yeh, doesn't have to been in perfect shape; we'd just add it to the list of things to blast and paint.

I wish had picked up more barn doors when 40 were easy to find in junk yards. Now even good barn doors are not easy to find. In all the years I searched junk yards I only found these two tailgates and a third one that was bent. I bought that one for the hardware a friend needed. Is there hardware still available on eBay? The latch for the right side is easy. Both the barn door latch and right side mounted spare latch will work. 75/76 spare tire latch works for the left side but not easy to find.

I have seen some hardware on eBay, and I'm pretty sure a few of the vendors I listed have some hardware. You're talking specifically for the half doors? CCOT has some aftermarket hinges.

Are you using or have plans for those 2 tailgates? Entertaining offers?



I have leads on a couple others. Waiting to find out if it's going to cost a fortune or if they don't even exist anymore.

Searching CL and the web for parts is a whole new adventure. I've seen several listings of random pieces.

I'm not sure I should even bother looking at a salvage yard around here. Everything of this vintage would be rusted in our humidity.
 

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