Q: Best engine upgrade for HJ60 (1 Viewer)

[Christian]

Hi All!

I have a HJ60, with 210.00 miles on it. This is the most common 60-series here...
The head is cracked and it is a bit on the low side HP-wise.
I know that there is a lot of Turbo converssions out there, I have one, but maybe it's time to retire the old war-horses and upgrade!

My question is:

What Diesel TOYOTA engine would be the best?

Considering following issues:

1. Easyness of swap
2. HP/Torque issues, would it be worth it/would it end up ripping my 5-speed and axles
3. Mpg
4. Prize

And maybe, would it run on veggie-oil

I know there is a lot of Cummins conversions, but as far as I have read, those engines are hard to come by in the US, which means impossible here!

I considered a Mercedes Diesel, 2.7CDI, but eventhough Germany is only 200 miles from here, it costs 6.000$ without wiring, EG ect!!

I hope the collective braintrust here have some input that might help me and others with engines that boasted massive 105HP and 196 ft/lbs...

Thanks, Christian

 

[HZJ60 Guy]

A search might be in order here. That said, optimumly the 1HD-FT would be the way to go. I think your "prize" actually means PRICE. If that is the case then the 1HZ would be a better way to go. Either way youre going to be spending some money. If you dont want to stay toyota then I'd conisder the Cummins 4bt.

 

[Japan4X4]

12H-T

 

[brownbear]

12h-t is the natural choice. Bolt right in.


The 1hz would be my second choice, but then you need transmission too. More $$$

See the post above mine? Contact him, he'll set ya up.

 

[tuppu]

Why not HJ61 engine 12HT + cooler = more hp, easy to convert

 

[HZJ60 Guy]

While I agree that is a good engine, I also agree with the Waynester. Why go OLD technology that (if not now) will soon be out of date parts wise. If youre going to keep the truck youre best served by installing as new an engine as you can find. That 12HT is old. The HZ or HDT(F-FT) will be active parts wise for years to come.

 

[Christian]

The reason I opened this thread instead of just relying on the search was to start a debate on the different models, who has done what? pros and cons ect...

Prize or price... i'm Danish!!! Carlsberg all around!

HZJ60 Guy: Exactly my thoughts... I know the 12HT and it is a great engine, but as you say, old!
I bought a turboed 2H, and I was told it had been renovated, which is probably true, but it had been allowed to rev too high, so I found two bend pushrods and a cracked head, so much for 1.800$! to bad, moving on! I have considered the 12HT suggested by and others but it is old...

I might be calling on you for priCes, if I may?

brownbear you said I needed the trans too? I thought it would bolt on to the stock 55 5-speed? damn!

I have a complete list of enginespecs, just could'nt copy-paste it for some reason.

I hope others than me can benefit from this!
And thanks to all for input!

 

[HZJ60 Guy]

God dag God dag. My father was born in Aarhus. Although I dont speak Danish I always wanted learn. My mother was born in Sweden as well.

Since the diesel toyotas were sent to Europe you shouldnt have to much trouble finding an engine....

IF you have an H55 your fine my friend.

This is a low mileage 1995 1HZ AND H55 before it went in my truck.

 

[lowenbrau]

I think I'd rather have a factory engineered 12ht rather than an after market turbo-ed 1HZ even if support was harder to find in the 12HT.

Pluses...
Direct injection
Inline injector pump
Identical mounting to 2H

I don't think you'd be sad with either.

 

[Christian]

God dag God dag. My father was born in Aarhus. Although I dont speak Danish I always wanted learn. My mother was born in Sweden as well.

Since the diesel toyotas were sent to Europe you shouldnt have to much trouble finding an engine....

IF you have an H55 your fine my friend.

This is a low mileage 1995 1HZ AND H55 before it went in my truck.

It's a small world!!! Then you must come and see Denmark and Sweden some time!

I know we have all the Diesels here, but they are expensive! Actually I order parts, even heavy ones like brake drums from the US, because they are much cheaper than here...

I am pretty sure it's a H55, it's 5-speed, it's from a HJ61 and it looks exactly like yours with the fifth gear in a separate case just like yours. There is actually two versions, the difference being the strenght of the fifth gear.

That pic looks great! Just like a brand new engine out of the crate!

 

[Tapage]

If i'm gonna be involved in engine swaps .. and have big wallet .. 1HD-T .. run an intercooler and boost it up to 14 PSI ..

My natural option to keep more stuff ( I E wiring and tranny ) of course the 12H-T .. and the same route, boost it up to 14 PSI and run a intercooler.

 

[Christian]

Hey Tapage! You have some knowledge in this i know!
Now since I have a good 2H bottom, have the turbo and actually just need to find a head, wouldn't a 2H with turbo be just as good? You run that right?

I would love a 1HD-FT 168HP@3600 280FT/LBS@2500 But I have been unable to find, even just to see waht the pricerange is...

There are also the 13b-t, the 14b-t and the 15b-t to consider. Not to mention the 3.0 D4D from the newer 90's series...
It's a jungle of Hino and TOYO engines and versions...

The ONE preliminary conclusion is: Standard 2H is just too weak to run the truck, especially with 35" Baja Claws...

 

[brownbear]

Hey Tapage! You have some knowledge in this i know!
Now since I have a good 2H bottom, have the turbo and actually just need to find a head, wouldn't a 2H with turbo be just as good? You run that right?

I would love a 1HD-FT 168HP@3600 280FT/LBS@2500 But I have been unable to find, even just to see waht the pricerange is...

There are also the 13b-t, the 14b-t and the 15b-t to consider. Not to mention the 3.0 D4D from the newer 90's series...
It's a jungle of Hino and TOYO engines and versions...

The ONE preliminary conclusion is: Standard 2H is just too weak to run the truck, especially with 35" Baja Claws...

A turbo'd 2H is not a 12h-t. Similar but not.

The 12h-t is direct injected. Designed for turbo pressures etc.

 

[Christian]

- and with oilspray cooling the underside of the pistons, i know, but spending another 2K+ on yet another old cast iron pushrod 30 year+ designed engine...? My dream was adding approx. 25% power and torque while getting better fuelconsumption and maybe saving weight.
All this is highly possible with modern diesel engines, provided money is no issue, but as always it is
Just found an add for a 1KZ-TE in sweden... hmmmm....

 

[icecruiser]

Iceland calling

Hi there Christian. Go for the 12HT it is the strongest yoda engine so far and very simple install. If you have a lot of mony a 1HD-T 20-25psi boost and a BIG intercooler and BIG exhaust....But then you need a dana 60 rear and stronger this and that. I have blown up two 1HD-T but it was a lot of fun while it lasted....;p

 

[Christian]

Hi there Christian. Go for the 12HT it is the strongest yoda engine so far and very simple install. If you have a lot of mony a 1HD-T 20-25psi boost and a BIG intercooler and BIG exhaust....But then you need a dana 60 rear and stronger this and that. I have blown up two 1HD-T but it was a lot of fun while it lasted....;p

I'm used to Icelandic offroad, but with one HP, 6" iron tyres and ecofriendly as nothing else, they ran on grass!!! :shotts:

I see your point, but the way you guys wheel makes the rest of us look like socker-moms driving in the parking lot by the mall

Let me put it this way:
bying a 12HT with 200.000 miles on it: 1.200-2.000$
gaskets, parts, doo-dads and all the other stuff that is sure to follow: 1.000$
And it's STILL old...

I have 2 x 2H, one newly painted and pampered and turboed, but without a head, And another with 250K miles on it, but never fiddled with. It must be posibble to make one fairly decent engine out this.

The above means that i can save the money otherwise spend on the 12HT and use them in search of a better alternative.

And...! I have just found a 1HD-FTE 4,2TDI in sweden for 3.300$! It has 190K miles on it, how does that price sound to you guys?
Icecruiser, I might need some pointers on this from you...

 

[icecruiser]

Hi again. I like the prize on that 1HD-FTE and shiping from sweden to denmark probably cheep. It is a very nice engine (same block as 1HDT new head and pistons), quiet and will last another 200+k. If it is from a 80 seris cruiser it has a simple one wire hookup, but the 100 seris cruiser has a computer controled system. A hookup on that is easy. I fixed one 1HD-FTE some daysago that blew a timingbelt (to many km on that belt) and the parts prise was ca 3000$. 24 valves and all that lifter stuff broke plus gaskets. Put a new timingbelt on it and tensioner and go go go.....

Cheers
Vidar

 

[Diesel Weasel]

I think I'd rather have a factory engineered 12ht rather than an after market turbo-ed 1HZ even if support was harder to find in the 12HT.

Pluses...
Direct injection
Inline injector pump
Identical mounting to 2H

x2

and Mechanical timing

Remember, OLD isn't bad simply because it's OLD. If that was the case we wouldn't be driving 80s era Landcruisers to begin with.

 

[crushers]

remember that when your truck is parked on your front lawn because you can not readily find some little part for the engine.

it was Bruce that sold ol smokey because he coulnd't find a fuel return line for the 13BT. "out of production" in Japan. the 12HT is the same generation of engine as the 13BT.

we do not live in Oz where there are thousands of these engines sitting around in wreckers and peoples back yards.

also people like Bruce can fab up replacement parts or locate most hard to find parts, not everyone can do this

old is not bad, old is dated.

 

[Eric Winkworth]

I've never had an issue

but I have used 4 wheel auto, and g&s several times....