LJE
SILVER Star
Hi folks! First time poster, but I've been lurking for the past four months or so as I've been searching for an LX470. This first posts covers a couple weeks (so it might be a little jumbled), but I hope to stay on top of it more going forward.
I've been looking for something to replace my wife's 2005 Liberty CRD (diesel), because:
I'm in South-Central Indiana, so while not the worst of the rust belt, we do still get some rust and I was seeing a lot of LX's from the northern Ohio/Illinois area that all had severe rust. To get a rust free vehicle, I was looking at $15K for something with 250K on it. Now, I know that the 2UZ can last much longer than that, but the rest of the vehicle is going to need some love at that point - control arm bushings are going to be shot, globes are going to be need replaced, etc. Spending that much money on a vehicle that I knew I was going to want to sink another 2-3K in parts into really just didn't sit well with me, so I started thinking… What if I just bought an LX that I knew was bad from the start?
What I settled on was to buy a LX with a blown engine for 'cheap' - that way, I could drop a sub 100K mile 2UZ into it, replace everything that I want to, and still end up around that $15K price range, but with many brand-new OEM parts. I got lucky and found exactly what I was looking for online - a CA/FL LX with a blown engine. I got pictures of the frame and it was SPOTLESS.
I bid on it, won the bid, and it was delivered a couple weeks ago. As you can see in the picture below, it looks like it dumped coolant from the radiator cap - the pictures below are after I power washed the engine bay even - you can see all the dried coolant. The engine cover (removed) is warped even! When I drained the engine oil I got at least a gallon of coolant out of it too, so this headgasket has probably been vaporized and I assume the heads would look like a banana if I were to take them off. I scoped the cylinders too - lots of rust and scoring. The heater tees are both intact, although one is just a brass tee with hose clamps. I'm not sure I've ever heard of these failing in this manner, so it's definitely a little weird to me.
I thought it was silver in the auction pictures, but it's actually the 'Blue Vapor' color. I dig it! I did replace the hood struts right away, since that's sorta a safety issue while working on the thing…
This was pre-powerwash at my house:
Before I replace any mechanical parts, I'm waiting to get the title for it (EDIT: it's on it's way now actually!) In the meantime, I've found a salvage yard that has several sub-100K 2UZs (non-VVT) for around $1K near me that I plan to grab one from. I realize there's the great debate of US made 2UZ vs. Japanese made 2UZ - I'm not necessarily convinced there's a huge difference. Something to it all? Maybe, but I'm not overly concerned. The US made 2UZ in my Sequoia still seems to be loving life at 250K miles! I ended up finding a 67K mile 2UZ out of an '03 Tundra that I should be picking up next weekend for $960 out the door. Again, I'm replacing most things on this engine anyways, so other than cylinder wall and valve seat wear, it'll nearly be a 0 mile engine...
I did go ahead and put in a Impex order for 361(!!!) parts - $2700 total before shipping (still waiting to see that bill…). That's all the gaskets (other than head gaskets) for the engine, crank/cam/rear main seals, ALLLL the hoses (transmission cooler hoses, radiator hoses, heater hoses, vacuum lines, evap lines, fuel lines, power steering hoses, and new clamps to go with all of it…), ALLL the suspension bushings (other than the rear control arms - didn't find the thread that had the part numbers until after I made the order - doh!), the body mount bushings, diff mount bushings, motor mounts, globes/accumulators, and brake caliper rebuild kits. In addition, I ordered a set of Doug Thorley headers to put on the engine before I drop it in - not sure what the state of the current manifolds is, but after reading how difficult it is to replace in-situ, I figure I might as well just bite the bullet now and do it while the engine is out. This is going to be a lot of work, but I'm excited for the project! I built an awesome insulated and conditioned attached garage a couple years ago (32x42'), so I've got plenty of room to work in and can be comfortable while I do it. No lift though - maybe in the future…
I've been looking for something to replace my wife's 2005 Liberty CRD (diesel), because:
- There's an oil leak I can't track down, and it gets just about everything in the engine bay covered in filthy black diesel oil. @ 240K miles, I spend a decent amount of time in that engine bay, and I hate it. Also drips on the garage floor…
- It's an Italian diesel engine shoehorned into a Jeep Liberty. It's about as unfriendly to work on as it gets, and it always needs something. Huge shout-out to Jim Hulse over in the CRD Facebook group for all the advice he has provided to the community - without him, I'm pretty sure most of these would have already been in the junkyard.
- If we decide to have another kid, we can't fit two rear-facing car seats in the jeep.
I'm in South-Central Indiana, so while not the worst of the rust belt, we do still get some rust and I was seeing a lot of LX's from the northern Ohio/Illinois area that all had severe rust. To get a rust free vehicle, I was looking at $15K for something with 250K on it. Now, I know that the 2UZ can last much longer than that, but the rest of the vehicle is going to need some love at that point - control arm bushings are going to be shot, globes are going to be need replaced, etc. Spending that much money on a vehicle that I knew I was going to want to sink another 2-3K in parts into really just didn't sit well with me, so I started thinking… What if I just bought an LX that I knew was bad from the start?
What I settled on was to buy a LX with a blown engine for 'cheap' - that way, I could drop a sub 100K mile 2UZ into it, replace everything that I want to, and still end up around that $15K price range, but with many brand-new OEM parts. I got lucky and found exactly what I was looking for online - a CA/FL LX with a blown engine. I got pictures of the frame and it was SPOTLESS.
I bid on it, won the bid, and it was delivered a couple weeks ago. As you can see in the picture below, it looks like it dumped coolant from the radiator cap - the pictures below are after I power washed the engine bay even - you can see all the dried coolant. The engine cover (removed) is warped even! When I drained the engine oil I got at least a gallon of coolant out of it too, so this headgasket has probably been vaporized and I assume the heads would look like a banana if I were to take them off. I scoped the cylinders too - lots of rust and scoring. The heater tees are both intact, although one is just a brass tee with hose clamps. I'm not sure I've ever heard of these failing in this manner, so it's definitely a little weird to me.
I thought it was silver in the auction pictures, but it's actually the 'Blue Vapor' color. I dig it! I did replace the hood struts right away, since that's sorta a safety issue while working on the thing…
This was pre-powerwash at my house:
Before I replace any mechanical parts, I'm waiting to get the title for it (EDIT: it's on it's way now actually!) In the meantime, I've found a salvage yard that has several sub-100K 2UZs (non-VVT) for around $1K near me that I plan to grab one from. I realize there's the great debate of US made 2UZ vs. Japanese made 2UZ - I'm not necessarily convinced there's a huge difference. Something to it all? Maybe, but I'm not overly concerned. The US made 2UZ in my Sequoia still seems to be loving life at 250K miles! I ended up finding a 67K mile 2UZ out of an '03 Tundra that I should be picking up next weekend for $960 out the door. Again, I'm replacing most things on this engine anyways, so other than cylinder wall and valve seat wear, it'll nearly be a 0 mile engine...
I did go ahead and put in a Impex order for 361(!!!) parts - $2700 total before shipping (still waiting to see that bill…). That's all the gaskets (other than head gaskets) for the engine, crank/cam/rear main seals, ALLLL the hoses (transmission cooler hoses, radiator hoses, heater hoses, vacuum lines, evap lines, fuel lines, power steering hoses, and new clamps to go with all of it…), ALLL the suspension bushings (other than the rear control arms - didn't find the thread that had the part numbers until after I made the order - doh!), the body mount bushings, diff mount bushings, motor mounts, globes/accumulators, and brake caliper rebuild kits. In addition, I ordered a set of Doug Thorley headers to put on the engine before I drop it in - not sure what the state of the current manifolds is, but after reading how difficult it is to replace in-situ, I figure I might as well just bite the bullet now and do it while the engine is out. This is going to be a lot of work, but I'm excited for the project! I built an awesome insulated and conditioned attached garage a couple years ago (32x42'), so I've got plenty of room to work in and can be comfortable while I do it. No lift though - maybe in the future…