Pertronix or Full Electronic Distributor

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I have Never heard of or Experienced Personally a Pentronix problem of any kind ?

but Google would answer this question for sure o_O

The VMF (vintage mustang forum) for classic mustangs have a series of threads I read about YEARS ago, as well as some classic chevy forums. Again, I have had no issues with any of mine, and as soon as any of my "points" in any old car I have start acting up its a direct line to the catalog for a pertronix replacement. I don't have anything "HIGH PERFORMANCE" enough for a full MSD ignition, so these points swaps have served me perfectly.

I have them in a small block chevy, small block ford, my Toyota F engine and a ford 300 I6, never any issues here.
 
Xander, do you have a little vacuum pump to test your vac advancer? If not they are inexpensive and handy. When vac is applied, counter-clockwise plate rotation means you’ve got a advance dissy:cheers: If vac canister is good and you like to tinker, you could pull the dissy and clean/inspect the guts. I pulled apart a similar dissy awhile back. Had a bearing plate like yours. Pretty simple to clean the gummed up grease and relube with fresh slick grease. If the shaft doesn’t wobble, you might be ok.

No doubt a new Japanese dizzy would be fantastic.

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The guy who Identified your dissy 65swb45 (a.k.a Mark A. in the article above) owns Mark’s Offroad, he is a Pertronix vendor. If you buy from him he’ll offer tech support.
 
- @Racer65 Med Cap anti-over REV Distributor ( Less moving parts then small cap / NO points adjustment dumb clear dial cap to Crap off and water to migrate inside dist. assy , Shop Clients can't turn and play with it themselves )

- Pentronix Igniter II ( easy to install , easy to hook up to the coil only 2 wires , Long term reliable HIGH Quality part , No Moving parts / maintenance free , For most part entire system with exception of the spark plugs themselves are Long-Term Maintence free , with Minimum Moving wearable parts )

Thanks for the details, this helps considerably. My truck is assembled in Venezuela and there are NO identifying marks on the distributor....hence, I have no clue which Igniter II model to get. Any thoughts?
I'm attaching a photo which shows the size of my distributor (and how dirty it is).
Can anyone suggest a specific Igniter II model number that would work?

Failing this, can anyone recommend a specific electronic distributor if I have to just pull and swap?

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Thanks for the details, this helps considerably. My truck is assembled in Venezuela and there are NO identifying marks on the distributor....hence, I have no clue which Igniter II model to get. Any thoughts?
I'm attaching a photo which shows the size of my distributor (and how dirty it is).
Can anyone suggest a specific Igniter II model number that would work?

Failing this, can anyone recommend a specific electronic distributor if I have to just pull and swap?

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I believe @65swb45 is a Pentronix Authorized Supplier
 
I bought a 74 FJ40 'not getting spark'. Pertonix igniter, a flame thrower, and a little love and it's up and running...

One thing I didn't see mentioned was opening up you plug gaps to about .055 due to more spark. I'm not super smart on such things but I read it a few times and did it on mine.
 
Hey Brice ,

I have been slowly but steadily tweaking My complete new F & 2F ignition system installs past few years both on my own trucks & Client shop jobs , here's the latest set up I go with & why :

- OEM toyota Plugs & wires & coil wire ( Reliable Fit , finish & long term performance )

- OEM toyota Internal Ballast Resister Coil W/ bracket ( Reliable Fit , finish & long term performance , ballast inside lives forever , unlike external ones , the bracket will mount on a 2F cylinder head upside down to migrate any water off stay dry and is hovering right over the distributor cap )

- @Racer65 Med Cap anti-over REV Distributor ( Less moving parts then small cap / NO points adjustment dumb clear dial cap to Crap off and water to migrate inside dist. assy , Shop Clients can't turn and play with it themselves )

- Pentronix Igniter II ( easy to install , easy to hook up to the coil only 2 wires , Long term reliable HIGH Quality part , No Moving parts / maintenance free , For most part entire system with exception of the spark plugs themselves are Long-Term Maintence free , with Minimum Moving wearable parts )


Will the @Racer65 Med Cap anti-over REV Distributor work with a 1977 FJ40 that has all the smog components in place?

Jeff
 
Will the @Racer65 Med Cap anti-over REV Distributor work with a 1977 FJ40 that has all the smog components in place?

Jeff


Hey Jeff,

the @Racer65 Med Cap anti-over REV Distributor 19100-61180 is Technically a NON -USA Smog-Free Application , Its also is a Vacuum Advance Type
 
@RAGINGMATT what do you set the plug gap to on your setups? or do you just stay with the OEM specs?

I have always stayed with OEM shop service manual spec's ,

Curious : What are the advantage's or benefit of changing the Gap , What is the new gap range set to , why etc .....o_O

This is a interesting topic i have never seen posted before ?
 
with more spark potential, a larger gap can create a bigger spark, burning the mix better... bigger gap takes more from the coil tho.
 
with more spark potential, a larger gap can create a bigger spark, burning the mix better... bigger gap takes more from the coil tho.

Would this New larger gap that can create a bigger spark , Be a desired Step or Spec. When installing a @Racer65

21100-61012 Non USA Vacuum Advance Carb. Due to Its Increased Jet Sizes ?

Would this have a Positive Affect At initial start up / base idle / drive-ability or all 3 o_O
 
Will the @Racer65 Med Cap anti-over REV Distributor work with a 1977 FJ40 that has all the smog components in place?

Jeff

Hey Jeff ,

I just grabbed this off @Racer65 / CityracerLLC.com It seems Your 1977 is in luck , Also This is really Good Tech Spec. data for USA applications running SMOG equipment still Like Your self


Toyota OEM vacuum advance distributor with points. OEM part # 19100-61180.

Fits the following applications:

  1. '75 to '77 Land Cruiser FJ40 with 2F engine (see details in technical information section below)
  2. '81 to '89 Land cruiser FJ60 and FJ62 with carbureted 2F engine
  3. '90 to '92 non-U.S. Land Cruiser FZJ80 with carbureted 3F engine
  4. Land Cruiser 70 Series with carbureted 3F engine
Original equipment on:


  1. '77 Land Cruiser FJ40 with 2F engine
  2. Non-USA FJ62, 70 and 80 Series with carbureted 3F engine
Technical information:

  1. For desmogged applications only. Not California smog compliant.
  2. Due to vacuum advance, the distributor requires a vacuum source from the base of the carburetor.
    1. The commonly available 21100-61012 desmog carburetor comes with the vacuum fitting
    2. The original '77 carb should already have 2 ported vacuum fittings. One for vacuum advance, and another for EGR
    3. Original carbs on '75 and '76 do not have vacuum fitting, but can be added during a carb rebuild. Alternatively, these carbs can be swapped for a 21100-61012 desmog carb
  3. This distributor has the advantage of converting '75-'76 from vac retard to advance
  4. Must use an updated distributor clamp
  5. You should use a coil with internal resistor (such as Toyota 90919-02015 or BWD e40), or you can add an external ballast resistor (part # 90919-04027 or aftermarket equivalent)
  6. You should bypass the ignitor
  7. Has built-in anti-overrun feature to prevent conditions that may cause the engine to be over-revved, such as downhill coasting
  8. Does not work with fuel injected 3FE engine on U.S. spec FJ62 and FZJ80
  9. Use of the black ground plug is optional. The distributor is already grounded through the clamp
  10. I ALWAYS use this ground plug wire , TOYOTA & NIPPONDENSO put it on there for a reason .........:idea:
  11. Parts catalog reference
 
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I just did a tune up, and most of the time it is mentioned, the answer is to follow the Toyota FSM....thus mine are gaped accordingly.

1980 2F Engine FSM:
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1985 2F - Engine FSM
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Being I have an '86 2F with a T-Hole dizzy in my FJ40, I installed a set of OEM 90919-01065 plugs.
 
Would this New larger gap that can create a bigger spark , Be a desired Step or Spec. When installing a @Racer65
21100-61012 Non USA Vacuum Advance Carb. Due to Its Increased Jet Sizes?
Would this have a Positive Affect At initial start up / base idle / drive-ability or all 3 o_O
No positive effect. When cranking, it is hard to get a spark, so adding load to the spark system by increasing the gap is bad. The minimum gap for making full power (~.030" for a naturally aspirated engine) is optimal. Increasing the gap above that has negative consequences, such as:
shorter coil life due to heat
shorter resistance plug wire life due to heat
increased risk of spark leakage due to higher voltage
shorter cap & rotor life due to higher voltage....

I just grabbed this off @Racer65 / CityracerLLC.com It seems Your 1977 is in luck , Also This is really Good Tech Spec. data for USA applications running SMOG equipment still Like Your self

Toyota OEM vacuum advance distributor with points. OEM part # 19100-61180.

Fits the following applications:
  1. '75 to '77 Land Cruiser FJ40 with 2F engine (see details in technical information section below)
  2. '81 to '89 Land cruiser FJ60 and FJ62 with carbureted 2F engine
  3. '90 to '92 non-U.S. Land Cruiser FZJ80 with carbureted 3F engine
  4. Land Cruiser 70 Series with carbureted 3F engine
Original equipment on:
  1. '77 Land Cruiser FJ40 with 2F engine
  2. Non-USA FJ62, 70 and 80 Series with carbureted 3F engine
Technical information:
  1. For desmogged applications only. Not California smog compliant.

This dissy is indistinguishable from 76.5-77 USA Fed smog dissy. It can be used to replace an old Fed dissy with a bad vac advancer.

  1. Due to vacuum advance, the distributor requires a vacuum source from the base of the carburetor.
    1. The commonly available 21100-61012 desmog carburetor comes with the vacuum fitting
    2. The original '77 carb should already have 2 ported vacuum fittings. One for vacuum advance, and another for EGR
    3. Original carbs on '75 and '76 do not have vacuum fitting, but can be added during a carb rebuild. Alternatively, these carbs can be swapped for a 21100-61012 desmog carb
The 75-newer 2F carbs have vacuum advance fittings. It's only 1/75-8/75 Cali-spec that have no vac advance fitting.
  1. This distributor has the advantage of converting '75-'76 from vac retard to advance
  2. Must use an updated distributor clamp
No, the 75-newer USA 2F dissy already have the updated low-profile dissy clamp.
Do update to the 2F clamp when installing this 2F dissy in a 1F.
  1. You should use a coil with internal resistor (such as Toyota 90919-02015 or BWD e40), or you can add an external ballast resistor (part # 90919-04027 or aftermarket equivalent)
Coils do not have internal resistors. The dissy does not know or care if the coil is a 6V coil with ballast or a 12V high impedance coil. If a 6V coil is used with no ballast, the coil & points life is shortened. IOW, do not forget the ballast for a coil that was originally spec-ed to use ballast.
  1. You should bypass the ignitor
No, the ignitor is a good thing that should be maintained. Why bypass a functioning ignitor? (Rhetorical question, no answer needed.) Do remember to disconnect the condenser when connecting to the ignitor.
  1. Has built-in anti-overrun feature to prevent conditions that may cause the engine to be over-revved, such as downhill coasting
Wow. No, just no. Cutting the spark does not prevent a mechanical overrev due to a forced downshift or coasting down a steep hill. The throttle is already closed, so the engine is getting no air & fuel.

The rev-limiting rotor is there because there is a slight chance that a 3F with it's shorter stroke, significantly lighter rod&piston and revised cam timing could actually overrev when driven by an ignorant 3rd world goat-herder. For reliability it is best to replace the Rube Goldberg rotor with a normal rotor.

In the long run it probably won't make any difference, but I feel better for providing the above info.
 
Much Like @GA Architect , I just installed these yesterday in a 1/79 FJ55 W/ a 1987 2F , I Gaped the plugs at the TAN 2F shop

Engine manual Spec's 0.031 / 0.8mm , I just double Checked That book and there is NOT a separate or different NON-USA Plug

Gap or Plug itself only the W14EXR-U / 90919-01065 mentioned , as it would relate to the NON -USA Distributor & Ignition

chapters or sections that ARE in That particular service manual , This would Suggest that the same spark plug & gap spec's are

used in All Global Destination markets USA & NON -USA

Thoughts ?



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@FJ40Jim
Thanks very much for your comments.
Some of my notes were taken based on what has been advised for the 61080 small cap dizzy, so I have a couple of follow up questions.

As an example, SOR states (for the small cap):
OEM VACUUM ADVANCE DISTRIBUTOR -
... For 9/71-8/87 vehicles must purchase ignition coil with internal or external ballast resistor...

Is this valid for 61180? I.e. you either use a 90919-02015 or equivalent coil with internal resistor, or keep the external ballast if present.

Regarding the igniter, there was a thread here that suggests disconnecting the igniter wires (Sorry @GA Architect if I'm mistaken). Is there another approach?
 

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