Payload (2 Viewers)

[Jetboy]

I expect the LC trim to be right in that range too. Base model LC300's are about 5600lbs. That's right in the range of where I'd expect it to end with how similar they are. Can't be too far off of that number.

Will the 4Runner be any different? I'm not sure how if it ends up sharing everything but the body. Could shave a few lbs here and there. Apparently it'll come with either a turbo4 and a hybrid turbo 4 like the Tacoma and will basically be a direct copy and paste of everything out of the Taco into the next 4R. IIRC the current 4R was around 500lbs heavier than comparable Tacoma, so that would put the next gen 4Runner right in the same 5klb range. A 2 row model with the non-hybrid I could see getting down into the 4500lb range possibly. But then will Toyota cut the drivetrain to smaller stuff??

 

[M1911]

GX550 is very heavy compared to historic SUVs. My K2500 Suburban (8.1L) had a curb weight ~5,900lb. 3 Rows, 4x4, massive cast iron V8, LT trim.

My 2013 200 is 5,800 lbs.

 

[M1911]

Agree with the comment the Tacoma may prove to be more versatile when kitted out with all the stuff people throw on their trucks.

My problem with the Taco is that it will be longer overall and have a longer wheelbase, resulting in a worse turning circle. That's as much of a pain in everyday driving as it is off-road.

 

[TWILLY]

My problem with the Taco is that it will be longer overall and have a longer wheelbase, resulting in a worse turning circle. That's as much of a pain in everyday driving as it is off-road.

And poor break-over.

Land Cruiser’s 112” wheelbase is in my opnion perfect.

 

[Jetboy]

My problem with the Taco is that it will be longer overall and have a longer wheelbase, resulting in a worse turning circle. That's as much of a pain in everyday driving as it is off-road.

Nonsense. My Tundra's 87 foot turning radius has never been a problem except when I need to maneuver around things. I can turn around at any full size round about and at most truck stops.

 

[Jetboy]

I tend to be more in agreement with the UTV/Jeep design teams that breakover is less important than approach and departure angles. In my general experience I'd prefer to have the wheels moved out to the corners. I get hung up a lot more on approach and departure than I do on the breakover. Overall belly clearance and smooth belly pans are generally more important than breakover angles for me. I sliding some on the belly is usually more effective than trying to plow with the front bumper. That's not universal, but if I were designing an SUV this size, I'd move the front axle forward about 3 inches. I think LR got the wheelbase to vehicle ratio and positioning pretty close to ideal on the new Defender.

The rear is a lot harder to improve because there has to be around 40 inches from the rear axle to rear bumper to have enough room for a full size spare back there. Only way to shorten that up is to move the spare to the rear door, and then you also effectively have to switch to a side swing door. I like the side swing door myself, but if you want a hatch - the departure angle is going to suffer.

 

[TWILLY]

I tend to be more in agreement with the UTV/Jeep design teams that breakover is less important than approach and departure angles. In my general experience I'd prefer to have the wheels moved out to the corners. I get hung up a lot more on approach and departure than I do on the breakover. Overall belly clearance and smooth belly pans are generally more important than breakover angles for me. I sliding some on the belly is usually more effective than trying to plow with the front bumper. That's not universal, but if I were designing an SUV this size, I'd move the front axle forward about 3 inches. I think LR got the wheelbase to vehicle ratio and positioning pretty close to ideal on the new Defender.

The rear is a lot harder to improve because there has to be around 40 inches from the rear axle to rear bumper to have enough room for a full size spare back there. Only way to shorten that up is to move the spare to the rear door, and then you also effectively have to switch to a side swing door. I like the side swing door myself, but if you want a hatch - the departure angle is going to suffer.

The LC 112” wheelbase, given its other proportions, just feels right to me because I’ve driven it since 1991.

Compared to more outboard wheel designs, I find that the LC’s relatively forward rear axle position affords a floatier ride on dirt at medium speeds—the lever of the rearward body puts the abundant rear axle flex to work and really smooths things out, especially under load. But that’s mostly subjective feel.

 

[tacoshawn]

When I did one of my earlier posts I hadn’t realized the GX configurator had the curb weight! 5,675lb for Overtrail. 5,705lb for Overtrail+. The Overtrail+ weight impact is less than I anticipated.

 

[Phillyd2]

Looking at the comparison I do see what in the Plus would add 30 lbs.

 

[bugsnbikes]

im curious to see what the front to rear weight bias is. And overall weight. The lc250 with the added battery in the back will help and im guessing the lighter i4 motor up front vs the gx.

 

[LCQ]

New towing capacity per TFL: 9,063 lbs max (possibly on premium and overtrail?). Wow. More in line with the Sequoia.

 

[TheElegantFox]

I wonder if it would handle track day towing? My guess is it would be pushing it to tow my 3,704lb M3 on a trailer. Might have to go for an aluminum one over the Uhaul type.

 

[Oakleyguy]

I wonder if it would handle track day towing? My guess is it would be pushing it to tow my 3,704lb M3 on a trailer. Might have to go for an aluminum one over the Uhaul type.

Run a Futura and it'll be a piece of cake to tow:

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[Joshau]

Fully understanding the difference that the hybrid system brings relative to rated towing capacity, I wonder if rated towing capacity will also go up by ~1,000 lbs on the '24 Land Cruiser?

 

[Jeremy556]

Fully understanding the difference that the hybrid system brings relative to rated towing capacity, I wonder if rated towing capacity will also go up by ~1,000 lbs on the '24 Land Cruiser?

Doubt it. 278hp and 317 lb ft are going to struggle up the 11 mile grade, even more so with the 400lb hybrid weight penalty

 

[APIOQM]

Is the hybrid expected to be heavier than the V6? Is the added weight of the battery and motor not compensated by a smaller engine?

 

[Jeremy556]

Is the hybrid expected to be heavier than the V6? Is the added weight of the battery and motor not compensated by a smaller engine?

I expect it will be 2-300 pounds heavier than the V6. The I4 and 8speed should be a bit lighter than the v6 and 10 speed, but 400 pounds of battery, motor, inverter, wiring, etc. based on the hybrid and non hybrid published curb weights on the Tundra.
Perhaps it will be closer than 2-3 hundred, as it looks like they are short changing the 250 with smaller diffs, partial skid plates, and god knows what other cost/weight savings

 

[M1911]

Perhaps it will be closer than 2-3 hundred, as it looks like they are short changing the 250 with smaller diffs, partial skid plates, and god knows what other cost/weight savings

People complained about the price of the 200. The 250 is coming in at a much lower price than the 200 and the new GX 550. That savings has to come from somewhere.

 

[msheikh921]

checking out the GX550 docs here; something doesn't add up...

unless am missing something, there is a mismatch between the Kilograms to Pounds conversion.

For example; the Overtrail+ weigh's in KG's is 1345+1155=2500KG or 5511lbs. yet the numbers in pounds add up to 3045+2660=5705lbs.
GVWR is correctly converted though. 7165 lbs actually equals 3250 KG.

Hence, in "freedom units" payload is 7165-5705=1490lbs, but in KG's it should be around 3250-2500= 750KG, or 1653lbs.

also the docs and manual state the Overtrail+ can tow up to 8000lbs, not the 9000+lbs figure as per the latest numbers. seems like the numbers were updated but the documents were not? a payload of 1653lbs gives another ~1000lbs in towing; perhaps this is why the towing rating was increased. what gives?

 

[TWILLY]

For the 1958:

Payload: 1687 lbs (not bad)
(GVWR 6725 lbs - Curb Weight 5038 lbs)

Fuel capacity: 17.9 gallons (disappointing)

MPG: 23 combined (22/25/23) -- 22 city (and dirt road) is not too shabby.