P0306 and coolant gone, time to pay the piper

[scottryana]

Yeah cost has never been a driving factor for me with gas, I was just saying that if you were going to load up and drive to Mexico, Alaska or some remote places, there might be times where premium isn't an option. That and I think there is a trade off between reliability and power, those two things are what will probably keep me from doing FI on the 80 series. But I also have a mostly stock 80 so I might be changing my tune once I load it down with armor, etc.

Whats funny is I've always been using 91 Octane. Like since day one. It was only 20¢ more per gallon so do you "really" feel it in the wallet? I say no.

 

[OGBeno]

• Remove the entire engine, have the head rebuilt and purchase a brand new short block from American Toyota for $2900. If I went this route I would most certainly install the S/C.

New short block runs about $2787.06 with the smart shopper price.

 

[NLXTACY]

Just talked to Richard at K&H. He is going to look into doing a complete R&R on my existing engine and doing 2mm overbore. He can start it next week. Georg was also cool enough to offer me up a used 2F with 120k for a few hundred so that I can get the other 60 up and running.

 

[NLXTACY]

New short block runs about $2787.06 with the smart shopper price.

Yeah this is the direction I am leaning.

 

[alia176]

Has anyone brought up the Atlas I-6 conversion? Mechanically, it's a drop in but don't know how much complicated from electrical stand point. You get more power and a way modern engine and gobs of aftermarket support. If you were thinking about SBC then I wouldn't rule this conversion out since it sounds like much easier Mechanically.

or, just dump more Barr's into it, LOL!!

 

[OGBeno]

Has anyone brought up the Atlas I-6 conversion? Mechanically, it's a drop in but don't know how much complicated from electrical stand point. You get more power and a way modern engine and gobs of aftermarket support. If you were thinking about SBC then I wouldn't rule this conversion out since it sounds like much easier Mechanically.

or, just dump more Barr's into it, LOL!!

Toyota dude...not any of this domestic crap. You're doing the same type of brainwashing to Franklin too....though he's buying it!

Joey ain't gonna buy it.

 

[NLXTACY]

Heck no. If ANYTHING I would do 12HT or SBC. I can literally rebuild short block 350 blindfolded. But I like the romantic idea of staying Toyota.

 

[alia176]

a 12HT/1HDT/1HD-FT would be a nice choice but getting 13 mpg at 75 mph while watching your freaking EGT doesn't seem right....Actually, you'd be watching the EGT with a Turbo too I guess.

Considering the Toyota I-6 design was stolen from GM, the Atlas is still "in the family".....

 

[NLXTACY]

a 12HT/1HDT/1HD-FT would be a nice choice but getting 13 mpg at 75 mph while watching your freaking EGT doesn't seem right....Actually, you'd be watching the EGT with a Turbo too I guess.

Considering the Toyota I-6 design was stolen from GM, the Atlas is still "in the family".....

I know zero about the Atlas so its out by default

 

[flow]

Couple questions:

Is it essential that you rebuild your shortblock? I know it has a lot of miles, but do you know its condition?

Is the cost of overhauling your current shortblock more than $2787.06 for a new assembly?

 

[NLXTACY]

Couple questions:

Is it essential that you rebuild your shortblock? I know it has a lot of miles, but do you know its condition?

Is the cost of overhauling your current shortblock more than $2787.06 for a new assembly?

I dont know the answer to either question but if its close I will be going with new

 

[grizzlygibbs]

Since money is not an option, from what it sounds like, I would go with new anyway and sell your other shorty to help offset the cost?

Or will American Toy need yours as a core?

BTW what ever happened to the hissing noise/problem you had? Was it possibly a contributing factor?

 

[NLXTACY]

Since money is not an option, from what it sounds like, I would go with new anyway and sell your other shorty to help offset the cost?

Or will American Toy need yours as a core?

BTW what ever happened to the hissing noise/problem you had? Was it possibly a contributing factor?

Not trying to say I'm made of money but I just want to be pragmatic about the decision and don't want to make the wrong choice only because of money.

Because the engine block is new and not a reman there would be no core. At least thats always how its been. Even if its a good block it has 300k on it and no one is going to pay for that. Its a boat anchor as soon as it comes out.

The buzzing sound comes and goes and now I may never know what the heck it was and IF it contributed.

 

[96beast]

Rebuilding your current short block shouldn't be an issue as long as it isn't warped or has any cracks. Although, depending on how long the engine was run with low/zero coolant, I'd be worried about the condition of the block. As an aside, I was in a similar situation to you two years ago and just replaced the HG. Still running strong.

 

[OGBeno]

Since money is not an option, from what it sounds like, I would go with new anyway and sell your other shorty to help offset the cost?

Or will American Toy need yours as a core?

BTW what ever happened to the hissing noise/problem you had? Was it possibly a contributing factor?

No core needed.

Piecing together all of the parts for a 4.5 1FZ-FE on the block side (i.e., all of the parts in a new short block) would be definitely well north of $2767.

 

[CycloSteve]

If your old block is OK and you are looking at more oomph, I say why not do the 2mm overbore, along with the S/C, cometic gasket, fancy pistons and so on.

If the old block is toast, as Beno said, it is cheaper to go the short block route, redo the head and drive the rig another 200k miles.



Steve

 

[NLXTACY]

No core needed.

Piecing together all of the parts for a 4.5 1FZ-FE on the block side (i.e., all of the parts in a new short block) would be definitely well north of $2767.

All options are on the table.

 

[pkelly72]

Good luck with whatever you decide. If you head up or get the 2f sent down send me a pm and I'll send you the compressor.

 

[pgmatt]

Get the short block from Toyota,have your cyl head redone and had a good gasket and headstuds for the supercharger. That should come out around 5 and you would have a dead reliable totally OE truck with enough power to get through the mountains with ease or tow a trailer if desired.

Edit- Or maybe that is not a good idea instead you should sell me your supercharger for cheap

 

[grizzlygibbs]

I wasn't trying to be rude with my comment BTW. What kind of numbers will you achieve with a 2mm overbore?