OEM Tire Carrier on US Spec FZJ80, Installed w/ pictures

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Here is my OEM tire carrier installed on my 95 FZJ80… I know there is a lot of doubt out there about this being able to be done successfully, and really, it wasn't that hard.

I bought the carrier for $300, then swapped my lower tailgate with a friend that bought the lower tailgate off the HDJ81 parts truck we got it from. He was happy to have my north american version and I was happy to have his for my OEM swing out mod.

Swapping in the lower gate was very easy to do, everything lines up perfectly, mounting the upper bracket on the upper lift gate was super easy as well (there is no special reinforcement for the upper lift gate bracket). There is already a place up there that lines up the holes for you, you just need to source your own bolts.

The lower brace for the swing arm was fairly easy, it does take a bit of maneuvering to get it into place. it is held on with 3 bolts. 2 of the holes are already there (factory), and the third hole requires drilling on the north american models.

The upper brace was not so easy, I had to use a 4-ton press to push the bracket in. Be warned, you can NOT do this without minor body damage. Once the bracket is in, it needs to be welded to the pillar. I had the braces welded to the sheet metal as well by drilling holes through the sheet metal and brace, then welding afterwards… then the bottom brace was welded as well, just for extra strength. So yes, this is actually stronger than OEM.

The body was hammered back in with a special hammer and the chipped paint was temporarily sealed with primer to keep the exposed metal from rusting… I used primer on all holes I drilled as well. The damaged body area will eventually get fixed, but it is so minor that it is not the top of my priority list. So is painting the lower gate to match the rest of the 80, which will be done at the same time as everything else, again, this is not high on my priority list as it's hard to tell, even in daylight, that the colours don't match.

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Yes, I did come out of this with a tiny bit of body damage, but I have done worse damage to the body on the trails. I wasn't in the position to get a fancy swing out bumper and with all the wheeling I have done since owning my 80, my bumpers are still near perfect. Combine that with being able to source the right parts, friends willing to trade parts, and a body mechanic father-in-law, this really was a great solution for me.

The carrier has already survived a few wheeling trips, one being River Shiver 2010, lots of gravel roads, and lots of opening and closing, all with a full size 315 spare on it. There is absolutely no wiggle in the carrier and I have full confidence in it to survive much more.

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Nice job.

Other than the location of the license plate, was there any specific reason you went with the JDM spec tailgate?
 
Are those rated for a tire that big?
I remember reading somewhere that you shouldn't go bigger than a 33 inch tire for the OEM stuff.


Either way looks cool :cheers:
 
Nice job.

Other than the location of the license plate, was there any specific reason you went with the JDM spec tailgate?

There is a ton of reinforcement in the tailgate that you can't really cut out, that and the license plate holder, it just made more sense.
 
Are those rated for a tire that big?
I remember reading somewhere that you shouldn't go bigger than a 33 inch tire for the OEM stuff.


Either way looks cool :cheers:

I couldn't find anything about the size rating, 315's fit pretty good on there and it's very solid. I've seen pictures of the JDM's in Japan with 37's on there so I figure as long as no one is standing on it while it's open, it should be okay. It feels like it can support more... and we did do some extra welds to make it stronger. I guess I will find out in time :)
 
Looks really good!
I'm not too familiar with the OEM carrier, but how does it latch shut?
 
Looks really good!
I'm not too familiar with the OEM carrier, but how does it latch shut?

There's a latch on the lower tail gate it locks to, similar to how our lower tail gate shuts and locks.
 
I'm almost afraid to ask but, How do I get one?

Just look for a JDM 80 that's parting out. You won't be able to get the upper brace without damaging the donor. The sheet metal needs to be cut out and the upper brace needs to be drilled out where the spot welds are.

The lower brace requires you to cut a hole in the inner pillar to access 2 of the bolts that are holding the lower brace.
 
For those interested in seeing what the braces look like, I found this picture on mud:

https://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/332129-oem-tire-carrier-u-s-fzj80.html
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You can see the bottom brace is held in with 3 bolts, and the top brace was spot welded, in the picture, they are drilled where the welds were to remove it from the donor. Again, the top brace can not be removed without cutting out the sheet metal on the donor vehicle.

I've seen others online do this by putting a plate in behind the sheet metal and bolting the carrier on to the plate. I just don't see it holding without welding the braces to the inner pillar, where all the strength appears to be.

I've gone wheeling about 5 times since the carrier was put on and it's still holding the 35" tire on there solid, no rattles, no moving, no problems :)
 
Would it be possible to fab a brace or braces for the upper swing arm? It seems like you are trying to reinforce the sheet metal which could be done with another option beyond the OEM upper internal brace - or am I smoking crack?
 
Would it be possible to fab a brace or braces for the upper swing arm? It seems like you are trying to reinforce the sheet metal which could be done with another option beyond the OEM upper internal brace - or am I smoking crack?

I'm not sure what you're referring to cowboy... I got the brace into the factory position and had a few extra welds done to attach the brace to the sheet metal as well so the brace is attached on the front and back. The part of the brace that attaches to the inside pillar is spot welded from the factory - we put in more welds than factory. I didn't see any other way to brace the swing out properly... just having plates behind the mounts means it's only being held on by sheet metal. The lower brace is very easy to install... the upper brace not so much.

It's been almost 10 months since I put the carrier on and just to give a quick update... it's held up fantastically well. No signs of wiggle or body stress. A buddy was driving my truck and went off a steep ledge, smashed the passenger side rear bumper and clipped the tire in the rear... still no damage to any part of the carrier. I've wheeled quite a bit since and have gone on tons of dirt roads. I'm very happy with the carrier, very factory looking, cheapest rear tire carrier solution I've seen, and surprisingly tough.

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Looks like you should have just gone with an aftermarket bumper with a swingout; seeing as how you've smashed your OEM one now :doh:

Yeah... at the time, spending $200 was more appealing than spending $2000+. Bumper will come later... $200 got my tire out of the back of my truck.
 
Do you have any photos of the body damage you discuss? I'm curious about why you have to press the bracket in, too.

Not really a good picture, I guess I can go take a picture but it doesn't show up well. Notice the white primer underneath the mount on the top of the swing arm? I used primer to cover up the exposed metal after the paint chipped loose. There are a few dents and a bit of it was hammered back into shape... It's noticeable if you were to look directly at it but honestly, it just looks like trail damage. I have bigger dents on other parts of the vehicle so this is pretty minor in my opinion. It was well worth it for me.

The way the body curves there leaves no room to get the bracket in... the bracket is an odd shape (for strength I suppose) and the outside and inside pillars curve differently.
 
I am going to be doing the same thing you did. The cost of $200, compaired to $2000 is a no brainer. I'm just waiting patiently for my box to arrive and i am on my way in the garage. The tailgate swap you did was a bonus for you. I wish mines came with the tailgate. Mt merchandise is coming from Yucon, so I didn't want the shipping so high. Just can't wait for my box. Reading your write up is just killing me. Good stuff though. Good job!
 
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