OEM Fan Clutch or Aisin Fan Clutch will be fine

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I have 97 LX450 with 292K. I believe I have an original Fan Clutch. My mechanic told me that I need to replace it because because when I am at the stop sign or waiting for the light to change my AC is not cooling enough. It doesn't make any noises, truck never overheats. Question, is my mechanic correct or it's just not enough freon n the system. I replaced compressor and dryer last April. I bought Denso AC compressor. Thank you!
 
$200? For a fan clutch? Come on guys!
I'm in for the long haul, and more then not way off the beaten path.

Not going to trust a $80.00 FC
 
I'm in for the long haul, and more then not way off the beaten path.

Not going to trust a $80.00 FC
To add to this I am not convinced that the FC sold by Rockauto are not "seconds" i.e units that wouldn't have had the toyota name scraped off of they met the toyota quality level.
 
I did an image search using the part numberfor the oem clutch.

I don't believe yours is oem.

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The four round bosses between fins on yours are not present on the oem clutch. ( one circled in red)

The link i posted to Partsouq.com is a genuine oem aisin clutch. USD.

They ship all over.

If you're weighing up $180 for an unknown part vs ~$200 for an oem aisin to suit your vehicle, I'd be going for the oem item

And looking closer your fan is also damaged and ready to take out the radiator.

Replace the Fan clutch and fan both.

When I did mine I did the fan clutch fan and shroud all at the same time.

Cheap insurance.
Thans for your replies. I have still some time, so I'll wait for the parts to become available here. Partsouq with shipping and import taxes is at least twice as expensive.
The fan has eaten a radiator with the previous owner. I rounded of the scratches and balanced it. It did well for our last trip of 11K miles. A new one is not expensive, but also not (yet) available here.
Anyway I have ordered some silicon oil. If I get the Aisin clutch I will modify that one, maybe I can also try to store the one that is on the car.
 
The fan has eaten a radiator with the previous owner.
Have you checked your engine mounts? If the fan has a history of eating radiators then you need to solve that issue first.
 
$200? For a fan clutch? Come on guys!

You do you. $200 in the scheme of landcruiser parts is not a big examples

Countless examples of guys having overheat issues, resolved with reinstalling an oem fan clutch after all avenues have been exhausted.
$200 clutch vs $10k engine rebuild :meh:

Case in point, i believe it was Ronald Rooji chasing a solution to AC being marginal in tropical heat a few months back. Several people suggested fan clutch was the solution to that too.
How much did Ronald spend in workshops trying to solve a $200 problem?
 
You do you. $200 in the scheme of landcruiser parts is not a big examples

Countless examples of guys having overheat issues, resolved with reinstalling an oem fan clutch after all avenues have been exhausted.
$200 clutch vs $10k engine rebuild :meh:

Case in point, i believe it was Ronald Rooji chasing a solution to AC being marginal in tropical heat a few months back. Several people suggested fan clutch was the solution to that too.
How much did Ronald spend in workshops trying to solve a $200 problem?
Noted. I added a AUX electric fan to the trans rad as well.
 
You do you. $200 in the scheme of landcruiser parts is not a big examples

Countless examples of guys having overheat issues, resolved with reinstalling an oem fan clutch after all avenues have been exhausted.
$200 clutch vs $10k engine rebuild :meh:

Case in point, i believe it was Ronald Rooji chasing a solution to AC being marginal in tropical heat a few months back. Several people suggested fan clutch was the solution to that too.
How much did Ronald spend in workshops trying to solve a $200 problem?
We did not spent a lot on the AC during that trip, basically because we could not find any (reasonable) parts in South America. We had the AC checked, cleaned and refilled, replacing dryer and valve, which was ok to do anyway (and relatively cheap in Brasil).
The problem we had was that the AC intermittently stopped working. Using the maintenance manual and specially suggestions on this forum we finally found the problem to be a very small leak in the coolant system. Should have been the first thing to look into, but nobody did. I usually check fluids before start-up, but we were too much focussed on the AC.
After the trip, as advised, I installed an OBD2 dongle (had left that one in another car at home) for monitoring engine-temp using an app. I have now ordered a dedicated display which I will install next time.

The fan does not 'eat' radiators. The previous owner had bumped into something damaging the radiator and a bit of the fan tips. The picture I atteached in previous posts shows the front after I removed it some years ago. Some parts have been replaced but the fan and clutch are still the same.
I hope this explains a bit more.
(I have another issue on the AC which I will post in another thread).

This week I was reading in on the Fan-clutches. They don't look rocket-science and, to my feeling, as long as the bi-metal spring is opening the valves and it is temperature adjustable, it should be possible to recondition. It is not that I do not want to spent 200$, but if 10$ of silicone oil and some work could do the trick why not?
Apart from that the Aisin clutch is not in stock here in the Netherlands and ordering at Partsouq is 200$ plus shipping + taxes. Also following suggestions on this forum I should modify it anyway. There are quite a few of other makes available here like Ashiko, Japanparts, Sachs and so on but they are not mentioned on this forum, so I have no clue if and how to modify them. I have no time for a lot of trial and error.

This forum is really great, but on fan-clutches there is not only a lot of information but it also covers randomly different makes and a broad spectrum of suggestions as to temperatures, cst-values and volumes.
Because I am not in the same location as the car right now, my first question was if someone can identify the make of the clutch fan on my car from the attached picture. From that I can work my way through the forum more focussed.
 
The Fan can definitely eat radiators.
If a chunk of that fan decides to remove itself from the rest of the fan, it can definitely go through your radiator
As the fan gets old, the plastic becomes brittle that in itself is enough reason to replace it, but when I see damage and cracks, it needs to be replaced.
It’s your rig do as you please, but in my opinion that fan needs to be replaced.
 
The Fan can definitely eat radiators.
If a chunk of that fan decides to remove itself from the rest of the fan, it can definitely go through your radiator
As the fan gets old, the plastic becomes brittle that in itself is enough reason to replace it, but when I see damage and cracks, it needs to be replaced.
It’s your rig do as you please, but in my opinion that fan needs to be replaced.
You are right but the attached picture was from some years ago. Fan has been replaced since. Clutch is still the same as I then thought it worked ok.
I am not in the same location as the car right now, so not possible to remove it and check the make. I'm in Europe the car is in South-America.
 
Last week replaced fan, blue Aisin clutch, shroud and belts for new.
This should be ok now.

Now having issues with AC, fan (LX450 automatic AC) and leaking steering pump.
Always fun the old cars.
 
I finally removed my Aisin blue hub to service it.
Thanks @jpoole and @77mustard40 for your information above.

I opened my hub that is about two years old and has about 30K miles on it. I was seeing temps spike at 206°F on an 82°F ambient day while climbing a hill at 75 MPH. It should not be seeing temps like that unless it's 100°F ambient.
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I drained the hub overnight into a disposable plastic meat tray.
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So, I temp tested the thermostat part of the hub in a pan of water. At 109°F it didn't budge.
At 126°F it didn't budge.
Finally at 134°F it finally started to open. The screws were already in the center of the travel.
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So, I increased the water temp to 144°F and figured out where it was. Then I loosened the set screws and moved it so it was more open at 134°F than it was before. I expect it to open sooner on temps.
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I put in about 55 ml of 15K CST silicone oil. Not sure if that's how much came out, but I filled the non-thermostat side of the hub so it was just under level full. Then I installed the thermostat half and tightened the screws with my impact screw gun. I used a #3 Phillips tip in my screw gun.

I cheated and didn't even loosen the belts to remove the hub. I put it back on and SLOWLY worked my way around the hub until all four nuts were Gutentite.

At first start up it roared like it should and after about 45 seconds it started to quiet down like it should.

I've got a 3 hour trip tomorrow on the same roads I did Thursday and Friday so it should be a good comparison except I will not be dragging a trailer this time.

Your data points helped me figure out a place to start. I was way overthinking this and kept wanting to make it much harder than it was. It still took me a couple hours to do this, but I go slow and sometimes it takes me longer to find my tools. I used my I.R. gun to check temps as I couldn't find the candy thermometer.

I used a disposable aluminum turkey pan, set the thermostat hubs in the pan, then ran full hot water from the tap into the pan. Our water heater achieved 120°F.

Then I boiled water in the teapot and added 170°F water until it got to about 164°F in the pan, then watched what it was doing.

Overall, I'm happy, but we'll see what the real world does tomorrow.
So, an update over two years.
I now have two summers and another 30K miles on this truck. (385K).
The highest temp I've seen is 198°F.
In the dead of winter it's about 182°F.
The fan roars at every startup and every time I pull away from a stop sign. It quiets down in a few seconds.
Overall, I am thrilled with the operation of it since I did the rework.
My documented gas mileage has not changed.
96 LC 1FZ-FE
 
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