My '97 Maintenance and Transformation Thread

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How hard was it to get that lower intake and fuel rail off without damaging anything. My truck was running great when I pulled it apart! I did it for PM but I just keep going and going. The water pump felt like it had rocks for bearings when I took it off. The oil pump o ring was leaking, the distributor o ring was leaking, the crank seal was leaking, the wire harness was melting where the heat from the clogged EGR valve had burned it, hoses were all cracking and dry rotting, the alternator was full of oil blown out of the distributor o ring, the power steering pump o ring and hoses were leaking, the valve cover gasket was leaking. All that to say that I am glad I did it. Now what else? Injector rail etc.
 
"Also disconnected the PHH and the line shown in the photo that connects from the head to the bottom of the throttle body. Can anyone tell me what this line is called?"
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Well, not sure of the "proper name" of the line, and there's no description of it in the FSM, but it's function is to preheat the throttle body and/or keep it at constant temp.

That's been a bit of a mystery to me, (a heated throttle body) because you want your intake air to be as cool as possible. My guess is, it keeps it cooler, when the engine is hot.

Anyway, I call it the "throttle body preheat hose", but, I believe the flow is from the water pump to the throttle body, then throttle body to the head.

Perhaps I should call it the "throttle body cooling hose"??:hhmm:
 
If you use a short section of silicone hose for the PHH (not the bypass) and constant torque clamps it should outlast the truck. Great photos, good work.

Good point and something to consider. If I did the bypass method (with a silicone hose), then I would have the best of both worlds. Should outlast the truck, but if anything did happen, it would be much easier to get to. Perhaps it's overkill though.

...Best photo of the phh I've ever seen. I'm not going to change the head gasket. Seems to have been done recently or never leaked. Plugs appeared to be original they were so burnt down. All powdery white. Timing chain and guide looked new. I have a 210 k truck but I think someone stuck a <100k motor in it. Had alot of numbers written on the crank pulley and the front cover.

You know, after doing some research, I don't think my PHH is original. If you look at my photos, the PHH is secured using regular worm clamps. On other photos I've seen, they're all secured by those "sardine can" clamps with the cotter pin in them (the same ones on the heater hoses above/behind the valve cover.

How hard was it to get that lower intake and fuel rail off without damaging anything. My truck was running great when I pulled it apart! I did it for PM but I just keep going and going. The water pump felt like it had rocks for bearings when I took it off. The oil pump o ring was leaking, the distributor o ring was leaking, the crank seal was leaking, the wire harness was melting where the heat from the clogged EGR valve had burned it, hoses were all cracking and dry rotting, the alternator was full of oil blown out of the distributor o ring, the power steering pump o ring and hoses were leaking, the valve cover gasket was leaking. All that to say that I am glad I did it. Now what else? Injector rail etc.

Lower intake wasn't really, hard, but a bit time consuming in a few parts. You really just need to clear some space to pull it back, so that bracket I mentioned and circled in my pictures has to come off. The oil dipstick and trans dipstick have to be loosened. Trans dipstick has a bracket attached to the lower plenum, so it's easy to see. As for the oil dipstick, just follow it down with a flashlight and you'll see where it bolts up, then it's easy to get to from under the truck.

The biggest pain was getting all the bolts/nuts securing the intake plenum to the head. The ones near the rear were a pain. IdahoDoug exclaims they are not too difficult if you have a rachet wrench set. I don't, so I had to crouch on the valve cover and use a traditional closed 12 point wrench on a couple near the back. It just took some time and lots of sweat in this heat. :mad:

The fuel rail comes off before the lower intake though, so I can't think of a reason you would even need to pull the intake if you're not gonna do the headgasket.

Oh, I thought of one more thing. The fuel filter is bolted to the lower intake plenum (under it) and it's secured by two bolts, so if you are pulling the plenum, you'll need to remove one fuel filter bolt, then just loosen the other one, so you can wiggle the hard line around (again, IF you're pulling the plenum).

If you're just pulling the rail to clean the injectors, I think you can just leave the lower plenum alone. The rail is really easy and you'll see. It's held by 3 bolts iirc. One important thing to note is the 1" black plastic spacers in between the rail and the bolts holding it to the plenum. Just look and you'll see them. If you remove the bolts, those spacers will go tumbling down to who knows where, so loosen all the bolts (don't remove them), then grab the spacer with one hand and remove the bolt with the other, so you don't lose it.

"Also disconnected the PHH and the line shown in the photo that connects from the head to the bottom of the throttle body. Can anyone tell me what this line is called?"
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Well, not sure of the "proper name" of the line, and there's no description of it in the FSM, but it's function is to preheat the throttle body and/or keep it at constant temp.

That's been a bit of a mystery to me, (a heated throttle body) because you want your intake air to be as cool as possible. My guess is, it keeps it cooler, when the engine is hot.

Anyway, I call it the "throttle body preheat hose", but, I believe the flow is from the water pump to the throttle body, then throttle body to the head.

Perhaps I should call it the "throttle body cooling hose"??:hhmm:

Thanks. I appreciate your insight on that. Always good for me to learn more. :D
 
Tried to get the exhaust manifolds off today. Took all the nuts and studs out (most of the studs came out simply by trying to remove the nuts), but ended up damaging one stud. It stayed in the head, so I tried to get it out with a 6mm socket, but it rounded the head of the stud, so I hammered on a 5.5mm and it came off. I'll need to replace that stud.

Next up, the nuts and studs connecting the manifolds to the y-pipe. Those were previously soaked in kroil, but would not budge. Got the impact gun out, still would not budge.

Got a torch out, then tried to hit them again with the impact and they STILL would not budge. :mad:

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Oh well. Put some more kroil on them and hopefully tomorrow is my day.

Next, I took the spark plugs out and the valve cover off. Then removed the timing chain tensioner. Then held the intake camshaft in place with a crescent wrench and took the bolt off the front of the camshaft to get the distributor gear off.

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After the tensioner was out, the chain had some slack. I used the "landtank trick" and ziptied the slipper and the chain under the cam gear, to hold it in place. The purpose is to prevent the chain from falling off the crank at the bottom of the engine.

(no photos with the ziptie)
 
I really wished I could get that lower manifold off, but as per IdahoDoug, you need to disconnect a whole bunch of stuff on the intake side and snake it all up through the bottom of the manifold. There's not too much stuff on the exhaust side though... just the MAF connector, diagnostic port, and a big fat harness in one piece. :hhmm:

So, I decided to remove the harness through that side and snake it down through the lower intake manifold, so I could get it out of the way. :D

It's maybe an extra 15 mins. I would recommend it as opposed to tying the lower manifold. It was not that difficult.

First, this is where you'll be working. You'll need to disconnect the harness from the ECM behind the glovebox/speaker area.

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Remove this screw:

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Then, pull the speaker cover off and disconnect the speaker:

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Next, open the glovebox and remove the side tab stoppers shown in the two photos below:

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They're just little clips and here's how they go together. You can just pinch them apart with your fingers.

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Now your glovebox can swing freely, so close it and remove the two screws below.

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Pull out your glovebox and here's what you're left with.

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Disconnect the two white connectors that are already disconnected in my photo. I took these photos after I disconnected and snaked it out.

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Then disconnect the 4 connections from the bottom of the ECM.

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Here's a diagram so you can see what I mean.

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Pull it all out from the engine bay and hold it up like a trophy!

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Finally, here's what I'm left with now at the end of the night.

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You are really jumping in there. Thanks for all the cool pics.

I wimped out in this "heat" (not much here compared to some folks) and worked on bikes instead this weekend.
 
Very nice work man way to get it done. Did you have doug's hg video to assist you, if so was it worth the purchase im contemplating getting the dvd.
 
Yeah definitely not the stock PHH, and your motor looks good for 210k I do think it has been refreshed, in the past.

Yea, between the PHH, the mashed injector o ring, and the missing bolt from the fuel filter bracket, someone was in there, but how far in there? I bought the truck with no real history though, so this is good for me to really know exactly what has been replaced now. I'm really enjoying this experience.

You are really jumping in there. Thanks for all the cool pics.

I wimped out in this "heat" (not much here compared to some folks) and worked on bikes instead this weekend.

Don't get me started on the heat. It's 101F here and the garaged is not climate controlled, but I'm getting through it. :D

Very nice work man way to get it done. Did you have doug's hg video to assist you, if so was it worth the purchase im contemplating getting the dvd.

Yes, I was able to borrow Doug's headgasket DVD and for a guy like me, it's been very helpful. It's not a replacement for the FSM, but it's really nice to see someone else doing it, so you get an idea of what you're doing. To me, it's like the difference between going to a class and having an instructor teach, versus just reading the book to learn.

If you're a really experienced mechanic, you may opt to skip it, but if not, I think it's worth it. Just my opinion.
 
Started out today trying to get the exhaust manifolds off again. They sat overnight in kroil (again), so today they got hit with the impact gun. They still would not budge. I thought this was really odd and was thinking, "They HAVE to come off", so I got this out:

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After ~450 ft lbs, they finally came off. One nut got damaged, so it will need replacing.

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I pulled the camshafts off.

QUESTION: In the FSM, it talks about putting a 6mm service bolt through the gears on the exhaust camshaft before removal. I lined it up like the FSM asked, but as you can see, the holes are not in alignment. What does this mean? Did someone previously disassemble the camshaft and put the gears on incorrectly?

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Since it was still hooked in with the intake camshaft, the two were not going to spin independently, so this left me a bit confused, but I just proceeded on and removed the camshafts anyway, according to the FSM.

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With the cams off, I cleaned up a lot of the oil in the head, then unbolted the head and removed it. Here's the result. What do you guys make of it?

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And here's the head on the bench. Now I need to bring it to a shop for a head job. Anyone know where I should take it in the Phoenix area?

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Now, it's time for :beer:.

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Hey man, thanks for all of the pictures! That truck will be super nice when you are finished.

I noticed the rear-most windows. Did some have solid windows instead of the split sliders like on my 1997?
 
"Tried to get the exhaust manifolds off today. Took all the nuts and studs out (most of the studs came out simply by trying to remove the nuts), but ended up damaging one stud. It stayed in the head, so I tried to get it out with a 6mm socket, but it rounded the head of the stud, so I hammered on a 5.5mm and it came off. I'll need to replace that stud.

Next up, the nuts and studs connecting the manifolds to the y-pipe. Those were previously soaked in kroil, but would not budge. Got the impact gun out, still would not budge.

Got a torch out, then tried to hit them again with the impact and they STILL would not budge"

When I used to work on big diesels, I learned a good trick to remove those stubborn exhaust studs...but it requires an oxy-acetylene torch, as a propane torch will just "warm" the studs. You have to get the stud red hot, then let it cool. They come right out.

Since you're tearing so far into it, get yourself an 8 oz. can of anti-seize, and paint the threads of EVERY engine and exterior bolt (engine bay, undercarriage) as you bolt them back up...especially exhaust studs/bolts. They will never give you as much trouble in the future. In fact, be careful when tightening with anti-seize applied, because it's easier to over-torque, and strip threads. I always thin a new can with a little motor oil. HTH:popcorn:
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Hey man, thanks for all of the pictures! That truck will be super nice when you are finished.

I noticed the rear-most windows. Did some have solid windows instead of the split sliders like on my 1997?

Yes, most have the sliding windows, but some came with a solid window.

Since you're tearing so far into it, get yourself an 8 oz. can of anti-seize, and paint the threads of EVERY engine and exterior bolt (engine bay, undercarriage) as you bolt them back up...especially exhaust studs/bolts. They will never give you as much trouble in the future. In fact, be careful when tightening with anti-seize applied, because it's easier to over-torque, and strip threads. I always thin a new can with a little motor oil. HTH:popcorn:

Great idea, thanks! :cheers:
 
Those are just fusible links (short protection).
They give no trouble.
Just put 'em back, when you go back together, and they won't give you any problem. At least I've never had any problem with needing to replace them.:meh:
Whoops:o just discovered those are NOT fusible links. Thought I'd better double check and...they turn out to be just connectors. I wanted to post the correction, because I don't want to be posting mis-information. No wonder I never had any trouble with 'em. :hillbilly:
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Huh, so forgive my ignorance, but what purpose do they serve? Why is it not just a straight wire to wherever it's going?
 
I have a question about BVSV. It's the valve that goes into the head, then has two vacuum lines coming out that connect to the throttle body. Here's a photo of it:

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I am trying to determine what this does. There aren't really any threads on mud that I could find. So, does it pull vacuum from the throttle body and pass it through some channel in the head finally to that egr hard pipe at the rear of the head? Does it pull from the charcoal canister and go ...somewhere? If anyone can elaborate, please let me know.

If I were to remove the egr system and do the resistor mod, can I get rid of the BVSV and cap it with a 19mm plug and then plug the two vacuum lines from the throttle body?
 
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Got my injectors back from flow testing and cleaning. Is anyone aware of any threads with flow test results? I did some searching, but was unable to find any. I'd like to compare results.
 
Good call on the head gasket. From the look of those white valves. I think you may have been burning some coolant and running a bit warm. I think that connector may be fusible links. Not certain.:meh:
 
Great info and shots

:cheers:getting a p0401 code and will sooner or later have to take the air intake manifold off and clean it... info / photo's appreciated.
 
Good call on the head gasket. From the look of those white valves. I think you may have been burning some coolant and running a bit warm. I think that connector may be fusible links. Not certain.:meh:

Thanks. I am no expert, but after seeing no. 6, it did make me feel better about pulling the head as PM since I think 6 is where it normally fails according to other threads I've read, iirc.

:cheers:getting a p0401 code and will sooner or later have to take the air intake manifold off and clean it... info / photo's appreciated.

Hey Terry, check this thread. I think it may help.

https://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/363575-p0401-defeated-pics.html

It goes into a lot more detail about pulling the upper intake, and the p0401 code in general.
 

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