LS3 (EROD or Connect and Cruise) Regret (3 Viewers)

[cruisermatt]

Here's where I am: I am strongly leaning towards going with the TR-4050, with an internal slave and the HF2A Transfer case with the Axis adapter. Does anyone know the bore on the 87 FJ-60 Clutch Master?

.7”.. you’d want my wilwood 7/8”
MC adapter kit. It works beautifully with the GM internal slave. I’m also a dealer for TR4050’s.

 

[dbbowen]

I can see the benefit of the granny gear off-road or towing, etc.

Here's where I am: I am strongly leaning towards going with the TR-4050, with an internal slave and the HF2A Transfer case with the Axis adapter. Does anyone know the bore on the 87 FJ-60 Clutch Master?

Is this the switch for the dash you mentioned @dbbowen?

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Do I have this right - I put the HF2A in my truck as described above - with no 12v signal, the T/C is in 2wd mode, assuming I order it correctly from @cruiseroutfit , and when you activate the switch, it will switch to 4wd, HI mode, then you utlize the lever to select low range for either 2wd or 4wd deepening on the dash switch's selection? I guess we will get to the wiring part of it later during the swap.

In the HF2A are Overdrive gears whining?

yep thats the switch and thats the operation... IF you install the spool in the tcase. You can contact Kurt for more info on the Tcase stuff, hes one of the ones who helped me with it in the past

 

[toy_tek]

AI is assisting my swap research. Figured I’d share the pretty chart it made.

 

[87 Land Cruiser]

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AI is assisting my swap research. Figured I’d share the pretty chart it made

I love a graph! Can you do one with the LS3 and 2F?

 

[White Stripe]

A l94 should be a great engine. The vvt is what will make it stand out as a good motor for a cruiser. Torque will come on sooner. The ls3 cam does not have a good profile for a truck. Ls3 also doesnt have vvt. A gen 5 will make even more low end torque with direct injection, but I don't think it's worth the complications of the gen 5.

 

[dbbowen]

but I don't think it's worth the complications of the gen 5.

couldnt have said it better myself.

This is going to sound a little crazy, but the gen 3 5.3 and 6.0 follow that pre 2000s toyota ethos. Simple, not too many moving parts, kinda underpowered. Lasts a long time

 

[87 Land Cruiser]

couldnt have said it better myself.

This is going to sound a little crazy, but the gen 3 5.3 and 6.0 follow that pre 2000s toyota ethos. Simple, not too many moving parts, kinda underpowered. Lasts a long time

I definitely agree with you. I've looked at this from every possible angle looking for the right solution for long term.

I have come to the conclusion that it's best to go 5.3 gen III or the 6.0 l96 Gen 4 if you're not going all new.

I punted on the l94 (for now) although I still believe it's a good fit for the land cruiser.

I am currently putting effort into learning more about the TR-6060 4wd by RS Gear. Everything I can find leads me to believe the shifter location is really close to stock shifter location on the 60 and the adapter is an AX-15 to split case, and the ratios are perfect for my purpose, and they do have a lower first gear option if I want it. However it's a lot of expense to still shift gears.

Are y'all sure that the split case doesn't inherently whine and it became aparent when the rest of the drivetrain got quite?

 

[White Stripe]

couldnt have said it better myself.

This is going to sound a little crazy, but the gen 3 5.3 and 6.0 follow that pre 2000s toyota ethos. Simple, not too many moving parts, kinda underpowered. Lasts a long time

I think if you are willing to go a little bit further from a gen 3 to a gen 4, mainly for variable valve timing and the easy ability to use the 6l80e that it is a rewarding end result. But only if your keeping vvt and or installing a 6 speed. That said you have to remove dod in many of the gen 4 motors to be reliable. All of that makes the swap cost a lot more.

 

[dbbowen]

I definitely agree with you. I've looked at this from every possible angle looking for the right solution for long term.

I have come to the conclusion that it's best to go 5.3 gen III or the 6.0 l96 Gen 4 if you're not going all new.

I punted on the l94 (for now) although I still believe it's a good fit for the land cruiser.

I am currently putting effort into learning more about the TR-6060 4wd by RS Gear. Everything I can find leads me to believe the shifter location is really close to stock shifter location on the 60 and the adapter is an AX-15 to split case, and the ratios are perfect for my purpose, and they do have a lower first gear option if I want it. However it's a lot of expense to still shift gears.

Are y'all sure that the split case doesn't inherently whine and it became aparent when the rest of the drivetrain got quite?

In my experience and questioning like 20 people… the whine is when you put the split case behind the 4l60 and it comes from the adapter and not the tcase

 

[RockJock82]

Anyone done the LS3 crate option and regret it, and wish they had gone with a truck engine? I read on a few of the Defender forums that people are saying the L96 is a better option, and at least some of them have gone back and put a truck cam in the LS3 swap.

I don't wheel, nor do I want a hot rod at all. I likely will never floor it, although I never plan to sell the truck, I am considering the resale value.

I am looking for more power, an engine bay worth looking at, and an increase in drivability.

The L96, (new or used) just doesn't do it for me from the engine bay aesthetics perspective, but I can be swayed if there is a huge uptick in drivability to be gained.

I also fully realize that any LS 5.3 from the junkyard will well exceed my expectations from a performance perspective, but I haven’t been able to rationalize the cost savings vs going all new, once you add the controller and other bits to make a take out work assuming I could find a within reason mileage 5.3 or even one that has 200k miles once you replace all the accessories, etc to get the engine bay look I am after.

I've never heard anyone say they regret having an LS3 installed in their cruiser. If you are going to spend the time and money why not get the drivetrain with the best power from the factory? Car vs truck intake you will lose bottom end power just for the aesthetic engine bay perspective with the car intake. Though it sounds like it will be a cruiser vs offroad rig so does that even matter.

 

[dbbowen]

I've never heard anyone say they regret having an LS3 installed in their cruiser. If you are going to spend the time and money why not get the drivetrain with the best power from the factory? Car vs truck intake you will lose bottom end power just for the aesthetic engine bay perspective with the car intake. Though it sounds like it will be a cruiser vs offroad rig so does that even matter.

The price difference is pretty much doing 80 series axles and a ls swap or just doing a ls3

 

[RockJock82]

The price difference is pretty much doing 80 series axles and a ls swap or just doing a ls3

L92/6l80e or manual and 80 axles, call it a day

 

[87 Land Cruiser]

Picked up the 2018 31k mile L96 6 liter for the LS swap today!

 

[BurntToast]

Picked up the 2018 31k mile L96 6 liter for the LS swap today!

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Oh hell yah

 

[Skniper]

Picked up the 2018 31k mile L96 6 liter for the LS swap today!

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Oh man your 60 is beautiful! Just read this thread over Saturday morning coffee, really got my blood flowing....and I have no idea what all the Chevy alphabet soup means. Good luck w swap.

 

[SNLC]

FYI Marks sells an adapter to put the H15x series of 5spd trans behind GM v8 engines.

https://www.marks4wd.com/mfk1045g3.html/

I don’t think many people here in the USA go this route because they are not familiar with the trans, it was never sold here. I can tell you from experience the H151/152 are great transmissions, far beefier than other Toyota 5spd. They still shift truck like which it seems a lot of swap people prefer. No where near as tuck like as an NV4500 though and also the shifter will be in a much better location.

Cheers

 

[87 Land Cruiser]

FYI Marks sells an adapter to put the H15x series of 5spd trans behind GM v8 engines.

https://www.marks4wd.com/mfk1045g3.html/

I don’t think many people here in the USA go this route because they are not familiar with the trans, it was never sold here. I can tell you from experience the H151/152 are great transmissions, far beefier than other Toyota 5spd. They still shift truck like which it seems a lot of swap people prefer. No where near as tuck like as an NV4500 though and also the shifter will be in a much better location.

Cheers

Cruiser Matt proposed this as a compromise when discussing my swap with him and I still may do it.

The biggest benefit to me was the shifter location, and no adapter to the split case.

I am going to run my H42 for now since I like the way it shifts and I don't like the H55 first gear.

Edit: the transmission we discussed was the R151 which can be purchased new.

 

[SNLC]

Cruiser Matt proposed this as a compromise when discussing my swap with him and I still may do it.

The biggest benefit to me was the shifter location, and no adapter to the split case.

I am going to run my H42 for now since I like the way it shifts and I don't like the H55 first gear.

Edit: the transmission we discussed was the R151 which can be purchased new.

R151 is to light duty, I wouldn’t run more than 200hp through it and that’s pushing it.

You can still buy the H151/2 new. The H152 came behind the v8 turbo diesel so needs input shaft changed to work with other combos. Both still have a fairly low 1st gear. HF1/2A bolts up to these.

Cheers

 

[pipernd]

You could go real fancy too......

Do you have more info on the cold air intake set up here? I’m in the final stages of a swap and looking for better ideas here and your’s looks awesome.

 

[87 Land Cruiser]

Do you have more info on the cold air intake set up here? I’m in the final stages of a swap and looking for better ideas here and your’s looks awesome.

I will second that! looks like the TORFAB box with the Universal Airad DIY kit. What did you do for your swap engine wise?