Long Range Tank Questions (1 Viewer)

[traveldud]

I'm curious to any feedback why long range tanks are of seemingly little interest? Just the price alone would put off most people I imagine, however I didn't see any interest in group buys that might bring that cost down. There doesn't seem to be any plans readily available either.


I've contacted 4wdsystems.com.au, and their tank at 895 AUD seems right, however the air freight is 695 AUD. I tried them about group purchase and haven't heard back on that or in general from them since.
man-a-fre- starting a waiting list $1035
ARB - Uses an out called the long ranger, and haven't heard back
Used tanks on occasion come through
SOR - nothing for the 60 series

It would be great to hear how some people have dealt (extra jerry cans on roof?) with fuel issue. And if anyone has built one, what to consider? Placement of baffels, materials chosen, etc.

Below is a thread, with some feedback on tanks (one dimension on auxiliary), however nothing explicit in fuel tank replacement.


Thanks in advance!

https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/long-range-fuel-tank-build-help.822493/#post-9427967

 

[darthvincor]

The option I've heard most often, is a 200ltr tank in the back, replacing the standard tank and the spare tyre.

 

[traveldud]

Thanks. I've already have the spare out and ready for that. 4wdsystems is 190l, however the air freight is killer and I never heard back from them on other freight methods or they'd consider group buys... it's looking more and more like picking up an old fj60 tank, disassembling it and using it's various dimensions (sending unit hole), etc. to build one.

 

[Output Shaft]

because...

Expeditions ended a long time ago in the USA.
The country is now infested with gas stations.
49 gallons of gas weighs a little over 300 lbs.
No car (in the USA) needs to have a 700 mile cruising range, so (most) don't.

I purchased a 190L ARB gas tank in 1988. ARB discontinued it long ago. Pity. Aluminum. It's awesome (like all of ARB' stuff is). Spare 31" tire fits perfect inside car on RR side with clamp bar. I got it for long trips to Baja Mexico. It is the correct size of gas tank for down there if you want to explore.

If you don't want a 2X size tank under your car and pay the price, look no further than Blitz.

fred

 

[doug720]

Or one of these...

I imported this from AU. It's made by Brown, holds about 17 gallons and they are still made. I made a dual filler from the stock fuel fill and have a valve to switch between tanks. Spare stays under the stock tank and I have about 42 gallons of fuel.

A guy on mud was considering making a batch of these a while back?

Another idea.

 

[norsk]

I like what Doug has. Would like one too.

link?

dougbert

 

[norsk]

because...

Expeditions ended a long time ago in the USA.
The country is now infested with gas stations.
49 gallons of gas weighs a little over 300 lbs.
No car (in the USA) needs to have a 700 mile cruising range, so (most) don't.

I purchased a 190L ARB gas tank in 1988. ARB discontinued it long ago. Pity. Aluminum. It's awesome (like all of ARB' stuff is). Spare 31" tire fits perfect inside car on RR side with clamp bar. I got it for long trips to Baja Mexico. It is the correct size of gas tank for down there if you want to explore.

If you don't want a 2X size tank under your car and pay the price, look no further than Blitz.

fred

Expeditions ended? WTF? I want to go on one
Boycott the infestation, go looonnng
so what 300 lbs: 5300 lbs vs 5600 lbs vehicle
but being able to go over 700 miles means you can leave many people in the dust

 

[hj 60]

The bad thing about long range is that if it starts leaking everything is gone, if you have jerrycans it can be stored outside.
Two 203 litre barrels fit inside, that is 4000 km for a diesel.

I have seen people in suzi samurai in a wildlife park with a gas smell and leaking tank, elephants and lions nearby.
And because the tank is under the truck more chance of rocks and stuff hitting it.

 

[Output Shaft]

Expeditions ended? WTF? I want to go on one
Boycott the infestation, go looonnng
so what 300 lbs: 5300 lbs vs 5600 lbs vehicle
but being able to go over 700 miles means you can leave many people in the dust

Exactly.. that is why I got one. Of all the upgrades to the car, if I could only keep one of them, my gigantic gas tank would be it. Nothing like freedom. It's nice getting the same miles per tank as a Prius!

 

[MANUCHAO]

I'm curious to any feedback why long range tanks are of seemingly little interest?

LRT are last on the list for many driving LC.
It took me about 10 years, but it finally made its way to the top of the list.....
I had my share of Jerry cans, they were great when I had them, but I would not go back to them unless Im in need of mo fuel, but with a 45gal tank I can do plenty of exploring...

 

[traveldud]

Thanks for the replies. The link for Brown (http://www.browndavis.com.au/products.php?make=TOYOTA&model=LANDCRUISER&series=60+SERIES), and actually tried them again, just now, with hopefully a response this go around.

They have nice marketing information. ARB website puts you on to the LongRanger site.

In the other link, one of the members was nice enough to put up dimensions of his auxiliary tank. The 300 lbs of fuel doesn't really bother me, as I could always put in less. There are some beautiful drives throughout Canada and loading up on fuel prior to entering there, would help widdle away at the cost. Will update if I hear back from anyone else "Down Under"

 

[traveldud]

response from Brown "Thank you for your inquiry with Brown Davis Automotive.
Unfortunately, we are unable to assist you with your inquiry. We are unable to confirm our tanks will fit with overseas models of this vehicle.
If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us on (03) 9762 8722.
Regards, Mellissa Dryden"

 

[norsk]

response from Brown "Thank you for your inquiry with Brown Davis Automotive.
Unfortunately, we are unable to assist you with your inquiry. We are unable to confirm our tanks will fit with overseas models of this vehicle.
If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us on (03) 9762 8722.
Regards, Mellissa Dryden"

what a lame way to say: we don't want that market in the US

 

[atomicshawn]

...No car (in the USA) needs to have a 700 mile cruising range...

I always like reading your commentary Fred, but i gotta say I don't necessarily agree with you here brother. If your goal is simply to get from point A to point B then yeah, gas stations along every major route across the US. But break out your topos of the western states and you'll find plenty of backcountry "roads", off the beaten path, where fuel isn't available.

For me the allure of this wacky motorsport is the exploration piece. Over the years we've clocked a lot of hours traveling the south and the west deserts of Utah and eastern Nevada. Some trails are on the map, some aren’t. Inevitably it happens, we'll be on a known route and pass that less worn trail or a dry wash that wanders off in a different direction... It’s the old Robert Frost cliché I know, but we have found some amazing places. More than once we have been on an unknown trail looking at the gauge and trying to decide if we should turn back or keep going with the hope that eventually the tracks will lead us out. We usually choose the latter, and more than once, even with our extra tank, we have rolled into some podunk desert town running on fumes and sweating like pigs because we shut off the a/c hours before to conserve fuel.

Maybe we don't necessarily "need" a 700 mile range, but really we don't need any of it. We could all ride bicycles From my perspective the extra tank is very useful and a good investment for those who are crazy enough to want to spend a few days or weeks traveling off the tarmac which, believe it or not, is still possible in the lower 48.

 

[norsk]

I always like reading your commentary Fred, but i gotta say I don't necessarily agree with you here brother. If your goal is simply to get from point A to point B then yeah, gas stations along every major route across the US. But break out your topos of the western states and you'll find plenty of backcountry "roads", off the beaten path, where fuel isn't available.

I think part of the allure of this motorsport is the exploration and discovery aspect that isn’t always planned. Over the years we've clocked a lot of hours traveling the south and the west deserts of Utah and eastern Nevada. Some trails are on the map, some aren’t. Inevitably it happens, we'll be on a known route and pass that less worn trail or a dry wash that wanders off in a different direction... It’s the old Robert Frost cliché I know, but we have found some amazing places that way. More than once we have been on an unknown trail looking at the gauge and trying to decide if we should turn back or keep going with the hope that eventually the tracks will lead us out. We usually choose the latter, and more than once we have rolled into town running on fumes and sweating like pigs because we shut off the a/c hours before to conserve fuel.

From my perspective the extra tank is a very good investment...

said better than I

dougbert in Utah

 

[rusty_tlc]

because...

Expeditions ended a long time ago in the USA.
The country is now infested with gas stations.
49 gallons of gas weighs a little over 300 lbs.
No car (in the USA) needs to have a 700 mile cruising range, so (most) don't.

I purchased a 190L ARB gas tank in 1988. ARB discontinued it long ago. Pity. Aluminum. It's awesome (like all of ARB' stuff is). Spare 31" tire fits perfect inside car on RR side with clamp bar. I got it for long trips to Baja Mexico. It is the correct size of gas tank for down there if you want to explore.

If you don't want a 2X size tank under your car and pay the price, look no further than Blitz.

fred

Sad, but for the most part true. The few of us that still live places where gas stations are hundreds of miles apart would benefit but the economics are that the market is to small to support import of long range tanks at affordable prices.

 

[traveldud]

Manuchao, You mentioned you put the LRT on the top of your list...do you have leanings toward some make out there?

 

[norsk]

Sad, but for the most part true. The few of us that still live places where gas stations are hundreds of miles apart would benefit but the economics are that the market is to small to support import of long range tanks at affordable prices.

but a LRT becomes "priceless" in barren places

BTW: Your "battle born cruisers" link in your signature fails

 

[atomicshawn]

...The few of us that still live places where gas stations are hundreds of miles apart would benefit but the economics are that the market is to small to support import of long range tanks at affordable prices.

This I would have to agree with.

 

[Output Shaft]

...but i gotta say I don't necessarily agree with you here brother...

You better not! Those words were facetious! I guess I was being a bit too obtuse with my "because" bullet point. Those were the typical diarrhea inducing excuses Car Manufacturers and After Market gas tank manufacturers might mumble as they head down the hall out of the last marketing meeting...

Those bullet points are their reasons we don't get no LRT love. The world is not made correctly for us FJ60 guys. AFAIK, everyone else is abnormal.

Thanks for the compliment.

fred