Lexus/Toyota Factory Navigation to 10" screen upgrade

[jLB]

The grom is not bad, however I think it's android 5.1.1 is under powered. I've had it reboot on me multiple times when I load 3 apps (google maps, waze and google play).

From the specs, I wouldn't expect there to be a huge performance difference between the two..

The RAM/flash is the same.
Core clock speed is about 15% higher for the Canavie on a very similar MCU.
You can find a ton of 5.1 vs 4.4.4 timing comparisons on youtube, on like hardware.​

I'd expect the Canavie to perform slightly better than the Vline (w/ a much larger/nicer screen)

What's the benefit of running google maps and waze concurrently?

 

[WaterCruiser]

Wow, you really took the time for this. I meant a video of you using it just to demo. I've made sample one while testing the Grom Vline. The grom is not bad, however I think it's android 5.1.1 is under powered. I've had it reboot on me multiple times when I load 3 apps (google maps, waze and google play). If you're having success with the Canavie I'm thinking about switching. It will free my glove box and it will make the screen look better.

no worries - that's what i thought you meant. i ended up partially dis-assembling everything to "go back in time" to get assembly sequence pics because I wasn't sure at the outset this experiment would actually work. this added to the writeup delay

 

[charlesrg]

no worries - that's what i thought you meant. i ended up partially dis-assembling everything to "go back in time" to get assembly sequence pics because I wasn't sure at the outset this experiment would actually work. this added to the writeup delay

We should all crowdfund your manual. If you're going through all this trouble to help the community I will be more than happy to donate back to your toy upgrade fund.

 

[charlesrg]

From the specs, I wouldn't expect there to be a huge performance difference between the two..

The RAM/flash is the same.
Core clock speed is about 15% higher for the Canavie on a very similar MCU.
You can find a ton of 5.1 vs 4.4.4 timing comparisons on youtube, on like hardware.​

I'd expect the Canavie to perform slightly better than the Vline (w/ a much larger/nicer screen)

What's the benefit of running google maps and waze concurrently?

I was running WAZE to navigate while Google maps was downloading maps to cache not navigating and the Grom would auto reboot. Definitely not the intended use but it should not have rebooted on me.

 

[WaterCruiser]

We should all crowdfund your manual. If you're going through all this trouble to help the community I will be more than happy to donate back to your toy upgrade fund.

very kind offer... let's see how well it works first

 

[beedo34]

Looks promising. Hope we get a solution that we can all agree on.

I know this is off-topic for the thread but what would be stopping someone from just disconnecting 100% of the Mark Levinson components and just wiring in a complete aftermarket stereo system from scratch. This should be sort of like wiring a stereo system on a boat or an antique car. I see people rip their carpets out of their trucks on here all the time so that surely exposes everything you would need to wire up speakers, amp, and subwoofer from scratch. My father in law has a lot of years of car stereo under his belt so maybe I'll run this by him.

 

[Ramathorn15]

Looks promising. Hope we get a solution that we can all agree on.

I know this is off-topic for the thread but what would be stopping someone from just disconnecting 100% of the Mark Levinson components and just wiring in a complete aftermarket stereo system from scratch. This should be sort of like wiring a stereo system on a boat or an antique car. I see people rip their carpets out of their trucks on here all the time so that surely exposes everything you would need to wire up speakers, amp, and subwoofer from scratch. My father in law has a lot of years of car stereo under his belt so maybe I'll run this by him.

The issue isn't wiring in a radio, its losing climate controls with an aftermarket radio.

 

[WaterCruiser]

Looks promising. Hope we get a solution that we can all agree on.

I know this is off-topic for the thread but what would be stopping someone from just disconnecting 100% of the Mark Levinson components and just wiring in a complete aftermarket stereo system from scratch. This should be sort of like wiring a stereo system on a boat or an antique car. I see people rip their carpets out of their trucks on here all the time so that surely exposes everything you would need to wire up speakers, amp, and subwoofer from scratch. My father in law has a lot of years of car stereo under his belt so maybe I'll run this by him.

 

[charlesrg]

Nice, looks quality material even for a TED TALK.

 

[jLB]

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Very nice post!

A few minor comments/corrections:

• I believe 2001 was the 1st year that the OEM nav was optional, one of your pictures claims to show a 2000 w/ nav
• Your "simpler" early UZJ-100 series picture appears to be a 2003+ non continental US non-nav
• I'd hardly call OBDII "Infotainment" and to my knowledge is has been in all UZJ100s (even late model 80 series)
• The Grom vline allegedly works in 2001 to 2007 nav equipped 100 series

 

[alethal]

 

[deanfun]

I'm sure this has been mentioned - but has anything come up about compatibility with 2003+ LX's? I imagine they are one and the same.

From what I can see in this thread, some of the menus on my '07 display the same information in a different format - thinking of the 'info' screen here.

 

[WaterCruiser]

Very nice post!

A few minor comments/corrections:

• I believe 2001 was the 1st year that the OEM nav was optional, one of your pictures claims to show a 2000 w/ nav
• Your "simpler" early UZJ-100 series picture appears to be a 2003+ non continental US non-nav
• I'd hardly call OBDII "Infotainment" and to my knowledge is has been in all UZJ100s (even late model 80 series)
• The Grom vline allegedly works in 2001 to 2007 nav equipped 100 series

JLB - great feedback and thanks for taking the time to post

- my [limited] Toyota sources might be incorrect, so I'll revise the 2000 to reflect 2001. If anyone else has more accurate info, please chime in as this needs to be factually-based
- i just grabbed an available image from the web to represent a non-NAV console, I'll make the correction
- you're right about onboard data [q: how did one access this without the MFD?]... i suppose OBDII isn't entertainment although some might consider this information. I'll re-word
- my VLINE knowledge is out-dated... will look into this too and adjust accordingly

Thanks Again - I do appreciate this

 

[jLB]

JLB - great feedback and thanks for taking the time to post

- you're right about onboard data [q: how did one access this without the MFD?]... i suppose OBDII isn't entertainment although some might consider this information. I'll re-word

- my VLINE knowledge is out-dated... will look into this too and adjust accordingly

Thanks Again - I do appreciate this

The first device that I saw display OBDII data (other than just reading error codes) was the scan gauge in ~2004.

On the Vline, make sure you look at the models listed under the "compatibility tab" and not the year listed in the title.

Not a problem, just trying to help make sure the info in your "infographic" is accurate, because these types of questions get asked a lot around here, and it would be real nice to be able just to point them to your "infographic".

I opted to try the Vline first, but I am still curious on how this unit works out. The board scavenging, and sloppy fit at the top of the dash kind of steered me in the direction of the Vline.

Just playing around with the Vline a bit, I've enjoyed having an Android box in the dash, and it has got me thinking about replacing the 2 year old Kenwood in my son's 2000 TLC with a double din android box.

 

[WaterCruiser]

I'm sure this has been mentioned - but has anything come up about compatibility with 2003+ LX's? I imagine they are one and the same.

From what I can see in this thread, some of the menus on my '07 display the same information in a different format - thinking of the 'info' screen here.

@deanfun... not having seen anything other than my (non-NAV) 2000 and my current (NAV-equipped) 2003, i kinda "drew the line" at Gen-03 NAV for this only because interaction with some of the 3rd party developers indicated to me that Toyota's post Gen-03 NAV systems experienced a "block upgrade" hardware (GPU, screen taxonomy) firmware & display driver design changes. Information you see on your 2007 (nice rig, BTW) may be similar to what I see in my 2003, however... your 'Cruiser has higher screen resolution which needs a more powerful processor & expanded/faster onboard memory etc. to make it work so while the information is the same the system behind it is different, which could make things that work for me not fully compatible for you I just didn't want to make an overly generalized assumption.

 

[cwininger]

Anybody know current price for the canavie? I don't see it listed on their site and didn't see anybody mention it in this thread.

 

[WaterCruiser]

Anybody know current price for the canavie? I don't see it listed on their site and didn't see anybody mention it in this thread.

they run $550, plus ~$40 shipping

 

[cwininger]

I submitted a request on their site for more info for my 04 LX. Here's the response I got:

Thanks for your inquiry.
I am sorry to tell this unit can not work with some protocols of LX47O. So we stopped selling it for LX470. Sorry for inconvenience.
If anything we can do, just feel free to contact us. We are ready here.
Best Regards
Andy

 

[jLB]

I submitted a request on their site for more info for my 04 LX. Here's the response I got:

Thanks for your inquiry.
I am sorry to tell this unit can not work with some protocols of LX47O. So we stopped selling it for LX470. Sorry for inconvenience.
If anything we can do, just feel free to contact us. We are ready here.
Best Regards
Andy

That leads to the question of what role do Canavie/NAVIAV play in this product. Manufaturer? Software Development? Clickbait website? Are the units that these companies sell identical or just very similar?

I'm curious if you'd get the same response from NAVIAV?

 

[deanfun]

I am sorry to tell this unit can not work with some protocols of LX47O. So we stopped selling it for LX470. Sorry for inconvenience.
If anything we can do, just feel free to contact us. We are ready here.

Ooooooh that is a downer... perhaps ask them if they can make it work? lol.

Thinking more about this... what could actually be different? The OEM stereo/hvac/nav looks identical between the LX and LC. The tape deck area and accessory buttons are slightly different designs with the same functionality. Odd. Does the LC have the security system blinky light in there?