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Because it will probably crack too! Something is just crazy here. He has ordered a tank from Cruiser Parts that was in excellent shape, and it cracked.

I'm sure if Toyota was willing to warranty the tank i would say go for it. But in discussion with Cdan (from what i have been told) he has never sold a tank. Doesn't mean he can't get one, but this issue is just not common. Plus they are not cheap. What if he orderes an expensive tank and it cracks? I would be extremely pissed!
 
Actually I recently provided a tank to a mudder.

His was caved in from a bit of "moderate" off-roading........:lol:
 
Because it will probably crack too! Something is just crazy here. He has ordered a tank from Cruiser Parts that was in excellent shape, and it cracked.

I'm sure if Toyota was willing to warranty the tank i would say go for it. But in discussion with Cdan (from what i have been told) he has never sold a tank. Doesn't mean he can't get one, but this issue is just not common. Plus they are not cheap. What if he orderes an expensive tank and it cracks? I would be extremely pissed!

Still not buying this. There is obviously something wrong with the tanks he is getting.

Get a new one--there was one here that recently rolled on through--beautiful piece of metal.
 
Still not buying this. There is obviously something wrong with the tanks he is getting.

Get a new one--there was one here that recently rolled on through--beautiful piece of metal.

Well if your not buying it , then im probably not getting one yet :D

Thats some crazy odds to get 3 bad tanks dont you think. The OE tank, one from cruiser parts in great shape and one from a low mileage 80 at a local yard with blown motor (ie no accident) With luck like that id be better off buying lottery tickets.

They are perty, but no way im dropping 500 on a new tank yet without understanding why im having the failures.
 
At this point I think I would "T" into the line that goes to the charcoal canister and run a hose to a gauge inside the cab. This way you could monitor any pressure or vacuum conditions in the system. I would want to try determine if it is a venting issue or a physical one. At least then you could focus all your efforts in a single direction with reasonable certainty.
 
NOPE; but I got to play with it for hours on end again last week and try an different patching approach. All for naught as it lasted 5 days this time (at least enough time to wheel and enjoy GSMTR without losing fuel).

This go around I completed:
patch on old used tank (used two part epoxy and fiber cloth) <sold as gas tank repair kit
(used low mileage) fuel sending unit (entire unit that bolts into tank)
NEW tank gaskets
NEW prefilter sock
NEW soft lines
NEW fuel filter (oem)
(used low mileage) charcoal canister

I plumbed a vaccuum guage to the vent line to the charcoal canister and it registered waaaaaaay low on the scale 7 kpH if i remember correctly. Can physically blow air through the vent line to the carcoal canister and as well from the charcoal return line back to the tank. No blockages. I t'd into the line right by the canister and ran it into the cab so I could monitor while driving. I have not tried running the guage at the return line, nor did I T in by the tank, but with the hard lines clear there should be no difference in pressure.

It almost appears as if the tank is collapsing or imploding due to vaccum. I only say this because of the shape and deformation at the crack.

After removal and repair, I waited 24 hrs to cure and filled up. NO problem. 6 days of highway and wheeling and no problem (3 fillups). First tank back at home and it starts to drip???

I fill up till it clicks off, no topping off, so it should not be overfilling and saturating carbon.

So as the vehicle uses fuel and the tank is emptied, what valve is responsible for letting air into the tank to prevent implosion? Is this the job of the gas cap as well?
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Yo leak

I had the exact same leak. Dropped the tank, took everything off of it, cleaned it w/ simple green degreaser and blew it out with air. Make sure it doesn't smell like fuel anymore! Match on a stick if you are worried about it. I used a wire cup on a grinder to clean that spot and any rust I could find. Then I tig welded it. I didn't think JB could handle the stress. After that i squirted it w/ undercoater and threw it back in. Easier said than done.
 
NOPE; but I got to play with it for hours on end again last week and try an different patching approach. All for naught as it lasted 5 days this time (at least enough time to wheel and enjoy GSMTR without losing fuel).

This go around I completed:
patch on old used tank (used two part epoxy and fiber cloth) <sold as gas tank repair kit
(used low mileage) fuel sending unit (entire unit that bolts into tank)
NEW tank gaskets
NEW prefilter sock
NEW soft lines
NEW fuel filter (oem)
(used low mileage) charcoal canister

I plumbed a vaccuum guage to the vent line to the charcoal canister and it registered waaaaaaay low on the scale 7 kpH if i remember correctly. Can physically blow air through the vent line to the carcoal canister and as well from the charcoal return line back to the tank. No blockages. I t'd into the line right by the canister and ran it into the cab so I could monitor while driving. I have not tried running the guage at the return line, nor did I T in by the tank, but with the hard lines clear there should be no difference in pressure.

It almost appears as if the tank is collapsing or imploding due to vaccum. I only say this because of the shape and deformation at the crack.

After removal and repair, I waited 24 hrs to cure and filled up. NO problem. 6 days of highway and wheeling and no problem (3 fillups). First tank back at home and it starts to drip???

I fill up till it clicks off, no topping off, so it should not be overfilling and saturating carbon.

So as the vehicle uses fuel and the tank is emptied, what valve is responsible for letting air into the tank to prevent implosion? Is this the job of the gas cap as well?

7 kpH does not mean anything to me, got a reading in PSI? (PSIA, PSID, PSIG) or inches of murcury? (inHG)

you are reading a low pressure well below ambient on the gauge?

The gap cap has a small one way valve in it that will let air in as it is burned but this does not sound like vacuum from fuel use, I think your problem is direct manifold vacuum, you have a 300 cubic foot per minute, 212 horse power vacuum pump under the hood. if that vacuum is ported wrong and goes where it should not the differential pressure between outside the tank and inside will crush the tank,




there are two ways that I know of to get manifold vacuum to the fuel tank,



1 incorrect plumbing, a simple misplaced vacuum line or vent line mis-routed could do this, most likely somewhere around the left side of the engine and left inner fender,

2 malfunctions of the purge cycle of the charcoal canister, the purge valve occasionally ports manifold vacuum to the canister, air flows into the charcoal canister from a vent in the bottom preventing vacuum exposure to the tank, if the vent at the bottom of the canister is plugged the tank would be vacuumed down,

Blowing into the canister is not a good test, you could be blowing through the canister, purge valve and into the manifold, an open path with the engine off, not so much when it is running,
 
I plumbed a vaccuum guage to the vent line to the charcoal canister and it registered waaaaaaay low on the scale 7 kpH if i remember correctly.

7 kpH does not mean anything to me, got a reading in PSI? (PSIA, PSID, PSIG) or inches of murcury? (inHG)

Do you mean 7 kpA?

7 Kpa = 1 Psi
 
1 PSIA (one psi above an absolute vacuum) would be a very deep vacuum, the engine could not go that deep, I think the fuel would boil before then anyway, 1 PSI below ambient (-1 PSIG) would not be much vacuum and I would think the tank would hold up to that,

JFZ can you retest and tell us exactly what you are getting and on what scale?
 
1 PSI below ambient (-1 PSIG) would not be much vacuum and I would think the tank would hold up to that,

Unless it was somehow previously damaged.

When I changed out my fuel sock (on the pickup), I noticed that I had lots of dirt and even some small rocks up on the top of the tank. Considering how tight it fits, I could see a rock somehow getting bounced up there and getting wedged between the body and the tank. If you then flexed the body....that could push said rock down into the tank, creating a weak spot.


Okay, so it's a wild theory, but I don't think it's completely implausible....
 
Dang you are still having these problems???

That sucks J

I have an extra tank in my garage for you...
 
Another one bites the dust!

The victim is a '96, the donor is a '93. Arrow points to the carnage.

Close up of the damage and the same spot on the donor.

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Some like to obsess about the fuel sock. The one on the left is from the donor, ~300k miles, no history. The one on the left has ~155k miles, steady diet of regular gas from a top level supplier, Costco.:hillbilly: Didn't look like ether had anything significant in them. Blew them with compressed air and reinstalled.:meh:

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Aww C'mon Kevin I was thinking surely you were going to post a fix. ;)
The half a tank thing is getting kinda old. Evidently going on 6 yrs old lol

Fwiw the swap didnt work for me, just kept cracking the new one too.
Hope yours fares better.

So what's the fiberglass looking mat in the e brake channel?
Never seen that in 5 different tanks.
 
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Aww C'mon Kevin I was thinking surely you were going to post a fix. ;)
The half a tank thing is getting kinda old. Evidently going on 6 yrs old lol

Fwiw the swap didnt work for me, just kept cracking the new one too.
Hope yours fares better.

Will see, know of two that have the issue, the other owner hasn't opted to do anything,,, yet.

So what's the fiberglass looking mat in the e brake channel?
Never seen that in 5 different tanks.

Don't know, on the '96 tank the strips were grayish and have that backing, the '93 were blackish and don't appear to have it. Both look original, no evidence that ether had ever been out of the rig.
 

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