You're going to need to reassess your estimate. I have a 2024 Sequoia and can get 20mpg on the highway at 80mph. In the city I'm seeing the same 15mpg I saw in my 2012 4Runner with almost double the power and a much larger vehicle.
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Sorry, not at 80 mph sustained and you can't totally trust the lie-o-meter on the dash.
For reference, on the autobahn in Germany, I was getting less than 8 mpg at 110 mph (that is the electronic limit for my '99 100 series). At $8/gallon for fuel, it was pretty expensive to keep this up for long.
If we get anywhere at or near 20, I'll call it a miracle as well and be very satisfied.
For reference, on the autobahn in Germany, I was getting less than 8 mpg at 110 mph (that is the electronic limit for my '99 100 series). At $8/gallon for fuel, it was pretty expensive to keep this up for long.
If we get anywhere at or near 20, I'll call it a miracle as well and be very satisfied.
I made a 151 mile drive from Raleigh, NC to Carolina Beach, NC at 80mph locked on the cruise control getting 20.1mpg. I did not care to calculate the mpg's at the pump, just thought it was great to see better fuel economy from a much more powerful and larger vehicle.Sorry, not at 80 mph sustained and you can't totally trust the lie-o-meter on the dash.
For reference, on the autobahn in Germany, I was getting less than 8 mpg at 110 mph (that is the electronic limit for my '99 100 series). At $8/gallon for fuel, it was pretty expensive to keep this up for long.
If we get anywhere at or near 20, I'll call it a miracle as well and be very satisfied.
There's a HUGE difference in your 100 series and my new Sequoia. There's also a massive difference in 110mph and 80mph.
Just thought I would share the information from my new Toyota hybrid, I don't care if you don't trust the lie-o-meter. I'm sure any number of YouTubers out there will be all over the new Tacoma Hybrid and LC and can provide the information you want.
I almost always beat the Toyota EPA. My 4runner would consistently average 22 highway and about 20 overall until I lifted it. That was using fuely over about the first 10k miles. EPA was 17/21/19. Current tundra is similar. EPA is 13/17 and I usually get 14.5 City and 18-19 highway. (I actually average about 10mpg because I tow a lot. First 5k miles I had it I think I averaged 9mpg. Ugh.
But just for some raw - what's the limits of physics - values:
Assuming about 3 square meters of frontal area* and .399 Cd and 75mph, sustained energy to overcome the wind resistance is 812 newtons. And that roughly calculates to be 36hp at 75mph to overcome wind resistance alone. If an engine is in its peak efficiency range it's typically something like 230g/kwh of gasoline at absolute best case scenario. That calculates to 38.75 miles per gallon steady state at 75mph. That's a theoretical maximum if there were no mechanical losses in the vehicle's powertrain, no tire rolling resistance, etc. Just the energy needed to push the box through the air and the highest thermal efficiency range of modern gasoline engines. If we add a 20% loss in the transmission and differentials, another 10% for tire rolling resistance, pretty soon we're looking mid or high 20's as the best possible scenario for a vehicle this size with this drag Cd in a perfect world. I think low 20's is probably as good as it gets for a non-hybrid.
27mpg would be pretty damn good given the brick we're trying to move. Huge improvement over 13-17mpg. Cuts fuel consumption almost in half to do the same amount of work. The current 4Runner is also more aerodynamic at 0.36. Combined with the roughly 8-10% lower frontal area and the wind drag force is almost 20% lower than the LC250. That's worth probably 3-5mpg at 75mph. A similarly sized 4Runner to the 5th gen could realistically push close to 30mpg if they keep it more aerodynamic than the LC250.
* (based on 1980mm height, 1870mm width and applying a factor of .8 to estimate the area within the defined box that isn't actually the car)
But just for some raw - what's the limits of physics - values:
Assuming about 3 square meters of frontal area* and .399 Cd and 75mph, sustained energy to overcome the wind resistance is 812 newtons. And that roughly calculates to be 36hp at 75mph to overcome wind resistance alone. If an engine is in its peak efficiency range it's typically something like 230g/kwh of gasoline at absolute best case scenario. That calculates to 38.75 miles per gallon steady state at 75mph. That's a theoretical maximum if there were no mechanical losses in the vehicle's powertrain, no tire rolling resistance, etc. Just the energy needed to push the box through the air and the highest thermal efficiency range of modern gasoline engines. If we add a 20% loss in the transmission and differentials, another 10% for tire rolling resistance, pretty soon we're looking mid or high 20's as the best possible scenario for a vehicle this size with this drag Cd in a perfect world. I think low 20's is probably as good as it gets for a non-hybrid.
27mpg would be pretty damn good given the brick we're trying to move. Huge improvement over 13-17mpg. Cuts fuel consumption almost in half to do the same amount of work. The current 4Runner is also more aerodynamic at 0.36. Combined with the roughly 8-10% lower frontal area and the wind drag force is almost 20% lower than the LC250. That's worth probably 3-5mpg at 75mph. A similarly sized 4Runner to the 5th gen could realistically push close to 30mpg if they keep it more aerodynamic than the LC250.
* (based on 1980mm height, 1870mm width and applying a factor of .8 to estimate the area within the defined box that isn't actually the car)
You simply can't trust the dash readout and I seriously doubt you got 20 mpg going 80 mph. Fill the tank, try it again, then refill and divide miles driven by gallons pumped.
It’s a modern vehicle, the guess-o-meter is generally pretty accurate. Even if it was down to 19.5mpg in reality, that’s pretty much a rounding error. I’m not going to fill up the tank and burn fuel for the fun of it. I don’t have the time or the desire. Besides, 98% of the time I make that drive I’m towing a boat. This time was a special circumstance. Believe it or not, up to you, I’m just a guy posting what I thought was helpful information to fellow enthusiasts.
Toyota hybrid MPG meters are very accurate. We've checked our Highlander Hybrid many times and it's usually within 1 mpg of reality. We got 39 mpg on a 500 mile trip across UT and CO, with a good bit of that going 80-85 mph on I-70. It's amazing how well their hybrids can do in terms of MPG.
This has been my experience too. Very accurate, and, with reasonable driving habits, often beating EPA estimates.
Germany’s first allocation of LC 250 reportedly sold out in 30 minutes.
www.carscoops.com
First 1,000 New Toyota Land Cruiser SUVs Sold Out In Just 30 Minutes In Germany | Carscoops
The European 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser is sold exclusively with a 2.8-liter turbodiesel
www.carscoops.com
I had not seen this statement from Toyota regarding its removal of 27 mpg posted on the US website (which is still on the Canadian website):
“The Land Cruiser’s EPA-estimated MPG will be released closer to vehicle on-sale early next year,” Toyota told Carscoops in a statement. “Any fuel economy ratings published prior to the release of the EPA numbers are only estimates and should not be considered official.”
This is consistent with my hypothesis that Toyota awaits market specific government ratings (which they have for Canada, but not yet for the US) prior to publishing mpg estimates in a given market.
www.carscoops.com
“The Land Cruiser’s EPA-estimated MPG will be released closer to vehicle on-sale early next year,” Toyota told Carscoops in a statement. “Any fuel economy ratings published prior to the release of the EPA numbers are only estimates and should not be considered official.”
This is consistent with my hypothesis that Toyota awaits market specific government ratings (which they have for Canada, but not yet for the US) prior to publishing mpg estimates in a given market.
Toyota Lets It Slip That 2024 Land Cruiser May Get Impressive 27 MPG Combined | Carscoops
In a since removed section of its official website, Toyota briefly claimed that the 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser's hybrid powertrain will be capable of returning 27 MPG
www.carscoops.com
That has not been my experience.
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What model of the Sequoia do you have?
Toyota claims (up to) 24mpg(highway) for 2wd and (up to) 22mpg(highway) for 4wd.
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Well, that and a Canadian gallon is imperial gallon sized, so about 1.2 times more than a piddly US gallon
cheers,
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Well, that and a Canadian gallon is imperial gallon sized, so about 1.2 times more than a piddly US gallon
cheers,
george.
8.7L/100km and a photo for good measure.
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Odd, even after a 1” lift and E load tires in my 4Runner the mpg calculator in the car was pretty accurate. I will cross check the sequoia at some point.
2024 Limited 4x4. In this generation all Sequoias run in 2wd unless the transfer case in engaged. My 2012 4Runner I traded for this Sequoia was also a limited and was full time 4wd.
If you have installed larger diameter tires, then your odometer is no longer accurate as well. You will need to adjust for that.
Oh I know. The 4Runner is gone, traded for the new Sequoia. I have the standard road tires on the Sequoia right now.
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Well, that and a Canadian gallon is imperial gallon sized, so about 1.2 times more than a piddly US gallon
cheers,
george.
Since Canada hasn’t used Imperial gallons since 1975, I only speak in US gallons as that is the only gallon in use in North America, (and I only buy fuel in the USA). 3.8 liters per US gallon. And that 8.7 L/100 translates to 27 mpg.
