Another LC200 party trick hard to beat.
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Question to you all.
Why buy this when you can get a GX? It seems to be a bit cheaper. Which means more room for mods.
Yes, you say, GX has the low hanging predator grill. That can be fixed via aftermarket with the money you saved.
No lockers. Good point. But it has CRAWL and rear locker from ARB is available. Rear locker + CRAWL may be ideal.
But that’s it, right?
GX may have IFS but it’s articulation thanks to KDSS is nothing short of remarkable. Probably just as good if not better than Grenadier.
I trust Toyota strong proven frame over anything else on the market.
You get trusted and tried powertrain, V8 NA smooth engine, axles, transfer case, etc.
GX is probably far more luxurious. Quiet. Bank vault. Has guaranteed Apple CarPlay.
Guaranteed quality rivaling Land Cruiser. Made from Toyota’s best factory.
Let’s not forget far better service support and parts availability. And since much of GX is shared with 4runner, GX has decent aftermarket support right out of the gate at this time.
In an engine used for sports car type things you want low rotating mass to help responsiveness and power delivery. It’s far from absolute, but I. Low-speed off-road driving like what this vehicle should be good at with the solid axles and lockers having some rotating mass often helps with difficult terrain. This applies far less with an automatic than a manual, but you often do see different base objectives with engine traits in the two different use cases.Not sure what their chosen design parameters were at Ineos, but that engine is pretty much universally praised. And apparently very reliable.
I guess anything with good low end torque is "right" in this instance? You would have to tell me. I defer to you on that lol.
BMW engines always win awards for design and engineering advancements, but I don't know specifically what the B58 is being commended for.
I just see a lot of journalist and fans talking about it finally being acceptable though and actually delivering longevity. It was not unheard of for the old inline 6s to go forever though. So modern era is to blame i guess, and overuse of plastics.
Ive been out of that scene for a long while though, currently trying to figure out exactly what features i will be missing by ordering a new model 3....
In an engine used for sports car type things you want low rotating mass to help responsiveness and power delivery. It’s far from absolute, but I. Low-speed off-road driving like what this vehicle should be good at with the solid axles and lockers having some rotating mass often helps with difficult terrain. This applies far less with an automatic than a manual, but you often do see different base objectives with engine traits in the two different use cases.
Yes they can tune for some of this.. a smaller turbo might limit total power output but build boost much lower in the rev range, effectively replacing displacement.
It isn’t turbo so kindof apples/oranges but the 3.5L v6 they put in the Tacoma.. lots of power compared to its antiquated 4L predecessor, but generally seen as an inferior engine in terms of the characteristics people often want in a truck engine. I’m reminded of whoever posted that many of the guys dune bashing in the Middle East prefer the Toyota 4.7 over the 5.7 because of its better mid range punch… and it has way less peak power.
I also question the ability of this engine to handle the work loads of a truck.. like extended driving in soft sand.. when it was designed more for sports car and light/sports SUV duty.
Again I don’t think it’s terrible.. but a fantastic sports car engine
Modern diesels with the exhaust aftertreatment and truly high pressure fuel systems are incredibly expensive.. all for power numbers well under what can be reliably achieved with gasoline. If we were a car culture that truly stressed our truck & SUV engines diesels would have an advantage over gas because the generally more robust block and bottom end lends itself to that kind of work.. but we don't. Note that getting a powerstroke in your new superduty was about a $10k option last time I checked.It is weird to me too though, why they didnt choose a diesel? Not that im knowledgeable on the intricacies, but I know that is kind of ideal. Maybe emissions systems issues…
The gx is a fancy 4Runner. Nothing wrong with the 4Runner, they are great (caveat, I've only owned one). What they aren't is a fully boxed, ladder framed, twin solid axle, full time 4wd, with eibach springs, bilstein dampers, brembo brakes, recaro seating, a cockpit a pilot would be home in, and sensible features like extra switches and pre wiring for accessories.Question to you all.
Why buy this when you can get a GX? GX seems to be a bit cheaper. Which means more room for mods.
Yes, you say, GX has the low hanging predator grill. That can be fixed via aftermarket with the money you saved.
No lockers. Good point. But it has CRAWL and rear locker from ARB is available. Rear locker + CRAWL may be ideal.
But that’s it, right?
GX may have IFS but it’s articulation thanks to KDSS is nothing short of remarkable. Probably just as good if not better than Grenadier.
I trust Toyota strong proven frame over anything else on the market.
You get trusted and tried powertrain, V8 NA smooth engine, axles, transfer case, etc.
GX is probably far more luxurious. Quiet. Bank vault. Has guaranteed Apple CarPlay.
Guaranteed quality rivaling Land Cruiser. Made from Toyota’s best factory.
Let’s not forget far better service support and parts availability. And since much of GX is shared with 4runner, GX has decent aftermarket support right out of the gate at this time.
Of course because it would be built by a proven manufacturer, not a potential Yugo company....I bet if this were essentially the same thing, but built by Toyota, half of us would be falling over ourselves trying to get one.
Add in mention of the side hinged rear door and I agree.I bet if this were essentially the same thing, but built by Toyota, half of us would be falling over ourselves trying to get one.
I’m reminded of whoever posted that many of the guys dune bashing in the Middle East prefer the Toyota 4.7 over the 5.7 because of its better mid range punch… and it has way less peak power.
I’m reminded of whoever posted that many of the guys dune bashing in the Middle East prefer the Toyota 4.7 over the 5.7 because of its better mid range punch… and it has way less peak power.
See a lot of mention of those wanting solid axles over IFS.
Although I had the same mindset back in the day, IFS has come so far, for me personally, it’s be almost impossible for me to go back to a Solid Axle truck again…
In all reality, the majority of our time is spent on pavement or dirt roads to get to said spot that may benefit from solid axle and the ride comparison between the 2 nowadays is so drastically different, I don’t think the benefit is there anymore…
I admittedly beat the snot out of my tundra and brought it everywhere my buddy with his 80 did, without issues. I had a much nicer ride home from Cruise Moab than he did. They are plenty capable and strong.
My current truck/camper setup is solid axle and I assure you, my next one won’t be
My .02
I only have experience in Qatar and what I was told was that the large v8 was unnecessary for legal speeds and adds a lot of cost. The dealer I spoke with in Doha said he never sells them.I remember that statement which I found perplexing. In my experience driving the 4.7 in the 4R, LX470, GX470 and 4.6 found in the GX460, I don't feel the same. The 5.7 has so much more initial torque off idle. Which makes sense with its 1L plus more displacement. I think that statement was more from the perspective of agility and less weight in the lower content cruisers.
The Grenadier being a 3.0L I6 turbo will have good low end torque by virtue of a turbo powerband. But it won't be powerful like the 200-series or even 300-series. Looks like they'll be close to mid 8s to 9s 0-60 in stock trim. Only gets slower when built and laden.
200-series LCs are in the mid 6s and 300-series touching into the 5s. Way more power to spare.
See a lot of mention of those wanting solid axles over IFS.
Although I had the same mindset back in the day, IFS has come so far, for me personally, it’s be almost impossible for me to go back to a Solid Axle truck again…
In all reality, the majority of our time is spent on pavement or dirt roads to get to said spot that may benefit from solid axle and the ride comparison between the 2 nowadays is so drastically different, I don’t think the benefit is there anymore…
I see the benefit of both, but less unsprung weight due to no a arms, strength, traction, no caster angle issues etc., SFA is still my preference off road, but no question IFS is better on road and still pretty good offroad.See a lot of mention of those wanting solid axles over IFS.
Although I had the same mindset back in the day, IFS has come so far, for me personally, it’s be almost impossible for me to go back to a Solid Axle truck again…
In all reality, the majority of our time is spent on pavement or dirt roads to get to said spot that may benefit from solid axle and the ride comparison between the 2 nowadays is so drastically different, I don’t think the benefit is there anymore…
I admittedly beat the snot out of my tundra and brought it everywhere my buddy with his 80 did, without issues. I had a much nicer ride home from Cruise Moab than he did. They are plenty capable and strong.
My current truck/camper setup is solid axle and I assure you, my next one won’t be
My .02
All of this plus living 900 miles from the good stuff is why I sold my awesome L92 swapped 80 and got a 200. And have exactly one regret.. the exhaust note.