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Thank you. Yes, I did read your post and noticed the bit about draining out being somewhat normal. I was wondering more about the specifics of the 3FE setup since the filter is vertical and the pump is down in the sump. When I start it, it does take 2-3 seconds for pressure to register on the gauge. I'm not positive if that's normal or I have a time bomb on my hands.

No, I'd say there is really nothing to worry about. There are dozens of vehicles (including Ferrari) that have used the same set up over the years (vertical/inverted) oil filter. I think it is wise of you to choose (as you have) a quality anti-drainback oil filter. It is to be expected that some amount of oil will eventually weep past the seal if the vehicle is not started (oil circulated) within a few days.

But I think the notion that you actually experience a 'dry start' from this is largely 'myth'. Except for valve guides pretty much all the bearings (Crank, Cam, Rods) are oriented in a horizontal position and they will retain at least a 'film' on their surfaces. So the idea that you have two metal components literally contacting each other DRY....I think is a misnomer (if the engine hasn't been sitting for years).

Just the same...we want to get oil circulating (under pressure) as quickly as possible because the components (crank, cams, rods, rings) DO exert mechanical pressure against one another and it is ONLY the thin layer of oil (non compressible) that prevents metal on metal wear.


I just get a little frustrated when I do hours of research and conclude that WIX filters are some of the best (and not cheap either), only to get shot down immediately for buying the "wrong" filter.

Yes, I tend to agree. We have certain folks who consider it sacrilege to use anything but Toyota products on a Toyota vehicle. Generally speaking....I endorse using Toyota/Denso replacement parts...but 'filters' don't fall into that category. Despite what others may profess....'Toyota' is not the Holy Grail of all things automotive. ;)

I can't speak directly about the 3FE...since I don't have one. But the 1FZ FE (at least mine) actually builds oil pressure almost immediately upon engine start, even though the factory gauge does NOT indicate that. I recently installed a digital oil pressure gauge (while retaining the factory gauge) and installed a highly sensitive transducer type sensor. When I start my vehicle (cold start) I see almost immediate feedback from the Digital (within 1/2 second). The factory/dash gauge doesn't move for 3-4 seconds sometimes.

All in all....I'd say you have nothing to worry about and that what you are experiencing is in fact quite 'normal'.

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Thank you. I do think the oil pressure gauge is damped heavily, as it should move just as quick as the tachometer otherwise. From what I have read, oil pressure "requirements" at idle/off load are next to nothing. Since an idling engine is making like 5 horsepower, there's just not a lot of force slamming into the bearings. Waiting a little bit before going WOT on a cold engine is probably a smart idea for many reasons, oil pressure/flow notwithstanding.

Obsessing over where that oil pressure needle points is probably wearing me out more than it is the engine!
 
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Well , i think its perfectly reasonable mct75 threw a napa filter on there since he didnt know any better. Coming from the jeep world a few years ago i can tell you that buying the napa gold model for a classic jeep was THE recommended filter and all the old hats agreed on that over at jeepforum . Generally it is a middle-grade filter imo.

That being said i only use the oem for the cruiser cuz it is a direct design component.

For those that dont know china and India are the bottom of the barrel in quality of manufacture and just cuz something comes from Taiwan ,Thailand ,south Korea or whatever doesnt mean its as bad as china or India. Fact is that lots of countries were into manufacturing for greedy mothership corporations long before china and India and some of them have pretty good cultures full of pride in their work.

I prefer American made, Japanese, German,Finnish,etc. but who doesn't?
I do believe the original cruiser filter was superior to the current iteration , if memory serves.
Safest bet and best looking filter=Toyota :borg:
 
I will go OEM next time. I'm not a fan of the smaller size or made-in-Thailand nature of them but I guess nobody ever got fired for using OEM parts.

Can we at least agree that the Napa/Wix filter is probably better than the one I pulled off? :hillbilly:

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See post #50 for details.
 
I will go OEM next time. I'm not a fan of the smaller size or made-in-Thailand nature of them but I guess nobody ever got fired for using OEM parts.

Assuming the same inadequate anti-drainback valve in each filter, a smaller one takes less time to fill up with oil after starting the engine.

The small-can YZZD3 filter effectively fixed the cold startup rattle I was getting with my Wix 51515XP large filters

Still.. made in Thailand and it just plain sucks that we cannot find the Japan-Made OEM filters anymore.. but the thai ones seem to work very well on our engines.
 
I believe all of Toyota's Japanese spin-on filter production has been moved to Thailand.
 
Assuming the same inadequate anti-drainback valve in each filter, a smaller one takes less time to fill up with oil after starting the engine.

The small-can YZZD3 filter effectively fixed the cold startup rattle I was getting with my Wix 51515XP large filters

Still.. made in Thailand and it just plain sucks that we cannot find the Japan-Made OEM filters anymore.. but the thai ones seem to work very well on our engines.
Regardless of where they are manufactured, they must be built to Toyotas standards otherwise they would not put there name on them.
 
Regardless of where they are manufactured, they must be built to Toyotas standards otherwise they would not put there name on them.
This is operating off the assumption that Toyota is immune to making bad engineering decisions for the sake of optimizing profits. Nothing against Thai people, but I suspect the made in Japan filters are always going to be a higher quality.
 
Just for the record there can be a big difference between what kind of quality a company may contract for and what kind they can enforce thru an international manufacturing contract arbiter.
Usually the longer a company uses the offshore contractor the more they get their product dialed. If the host workforce is prideful and has acumen they will dial it in over time. If the host workforce is virtual slave labor and run by crazies you may end up getting stonewalled by reps and have to throw lawyers at an arbiter. The existence of a quality assurance dept. and paperwork doesn't change a people or a country..especially when said contracts could have been negotiated by politicians who frankly desire other outcomes, such as relations welded together by trade.
 
This is operating off the assumption that Toyota is immune to making bad engineering decisions for the sake of optimizing profits. Nothing against Thai people, but I suspect the made in Japan filters are always going to be a higher quality.
This is operating off the assumption that Toyota is immune to making bad engineering decisions for the sake of optimizing profits. Nothing against Thai people, but I suspect the made in Japan filters are always going to be a higher quality.
I agree. Napa gold 1515 was my go to filter for a while but then this thread was born so I looked into a Toyota brand filter and learned it costs only $6. I will use the toyota filter from now on because I think that a failure in the filter that resulted in engine damage might be easier to deal with if the whole mess was in-house.
 
So nobody has filtering specs on the Toyota filter, correct? Y'all are just going off of "it's a synthetic filtering media so it must be good"? :slap:
 
So nobody has filtering specs on the Toyota filter, correct? Y'all are just going off of "it's a synthetic filtering media so it must be good"? :slap:
I think most of us change the oil so often that any filter and oil is good enough as long as the filter does not malfunction.
 
Just for the record there can be a big difference between what kind of quality a company may contract for and what kind they can enforce thru an international manufacturing contract arbiter.
Usually the longer a company uses the offshore contractor the more they get their product dialed. If the host workforce is prideful and has acumen they will dial it in over time. If the host workforce is virtual slave labor and run by crazies you may end up getting stonewalled by reps and have to throw lawyers at an arbiter. The existence of a quality assurance dept. and paperwork doesn't change a people or a country..especially when said contracts could have been negotiated by politicians who frankly desire other outcomes, such as relations welded together by trade.

Chrysler's top tier SRT filters are manufactured in Poland. I have compared them extensively with the standard Mopar filters and the difference is significant.
 
Arguably the three most important variants.
 
90915-30002
15600-41010
15601-68010

Still hecho in Nippon.
So, if 90915-YZZD3 replaced 15600-41010, is it also hecho in Nippon?
 

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