How to get the pins out of the shackles? (1 Viewer)
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Word.
You are definitely going to need more than one size of bushing. Plan on having the truck down for a while.
And the motor mount situation? You must be a sucker for punishment.
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I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. Nevermind. It's highly unlikely that the bolts are threaded into the shackles, anyway. What I should have asked was "can you turn the bolts?" If they WERE threaded into the shackles, then when you turned them they would either push the shackle plate off or in the case of your 1 piece shackles would push themselves out of the shackle. Or they would simply strip out. Anyway, sorry, I didn't mean to add confusion.
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Limbuger cheese…
As for the bushings, I had a thought, probably a stupid one. If the rear Rancho springs are on stock shackles and hangers…wouldn't they use the stock size bushings? And since I am using the stock front springs on after market shackles…wouldn't they still use stock bushing size, since the shackles would have to fit the stock leaf springs?
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No worries. I have not tackled the front shackles yet, if that's what you're referring to but they are not threaded. The fronts seem to be flexing well enough, for the time being. I'm going to order some bushings, somehow, somewhere, and will try burning and hammering them out when I have them on hand.
Ok, just one observaton from the above pics and review of comments.
I do not see any Jack stands under the vehicle and see the nuts and plates off and pins banged partially out (hence the bent pins). You will not be able to (or want to) take the pins out until the springs are unweighted/ vehicle is supported on stands or the vehicle is going to come crashing down on you.
You are going to needs a couple sets of jsckstands (support frame and axle) and at least 1 if not 2 jacks
I do not see any Jack stands under the vehicle and see the nuts and plates off and pins banged partially out (hence the bent pins). You will not be able to (or want to) take the pins out until the springs are unweighted/ vehicle is supported on stands or the vehicle is going to come crashing down on you.
You are going to needs a couple sets of jsckstands (support frame and axle) and at least 1 if not 2 jacks
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Good point, however, I do have a jack supporting the vehicle. It's on the bumperette and you can't see i
Hey thanks for looking out for me, dfclimber. I do have a jack on the drivers side bumperette holding up the back of the vehicle. It's just not in the pics. And the tire is holding up the axel so I felt covered.
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You will need at least two different bushing sizes to replace what you have on the truck currently. 1st- Stock size (metric) for the fixed end of the front spring and the upper rear shackle mount on the frame (8 bushings). 2nd-The front spring shackles will need stock outer diameter with correct sae size inner diameter bushings (8 bushings). 3rd- You may need a 3rd size bushing since the rear spring itself may need a different bushing with stock inner diameter and whatever outer diameter fits in the Rancho spring eyes (8 bushings). I think some versions of Rancho springs were made to fit either version of land cruiser spring (pre or post 81ish). They shipped them with a shouldered bushing with the earlier smaller pin size for the pre 81 vehicles. They made one size spring and used two different bushings sized to fit both type of frame mounts/shackle sizes.
HTH,
Will
HTH,
Will
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Re: another use for your new BFH would be to straighten out the bent rear shackle sideplate if you want to reuse it to save some cash. So many uses for that tool. It would be even easier if you heated it first with the flame wrench.
@sproggy , Rancho springs for the cruiser had a 1.38 diameter eye. Basically the same as the late 40. You will need the 1 3/8 OD bushing with the ID to match your shackle. Stock shackles use ~15mm. Some aftermarket use 5/8 ( 16mm ). I'ts easier to use shackles with a stock pin.
That way you'll only have to remember two bushings. One for the Ranchos and all the rest can be stock
That way you'll only have to remember two bushings. One for the Ranchos and all the rest can be stock
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I'm throughly confused. Must this really be so tough? Damn… Will, when you refer to inner and outer, do you mean "inner" is the diameter of the hole only and "outer" would be the diameter of the whole bushing from outer edge to outer edge (the part that sticks into the spring or hanger and not the side of the bushing with the flange?)?
What is "OD" or "O.D."?
it's a pity I won't be able to get the old bushings out to measure them. So how the heck am I supposed to order the correct bushings? I need to measure the pin diameter to get the inner measurement for each different scenario and then measure the diameter of the hole where the bushing will go…for each scenario, yes?
Will, I think I'm getting your math finally. That makes sense. It took me a while to realize the thickness of the bushing will differ (inner vs. outer dimensions).
So, where to buy all these suckers…and anyone want to comment on shocks? I've been riding around town a bit with no shocks now and the ride is much nicer. A bit bouncy but nothing dangerous. I think lubricating the springs also has helped. But I must do something about shocks sooner or later. What shocks to install to get the same ride I have now without the bounce?
What is "OD" or "O.D."?
it's a pity I won't be able to get the old bushings out to measure them. So how the heck am I supposed to order the correct bushings? I need to measure the pin diameter to get the inner measurement for each different scenario and then measure the diameter of the hole where the bushing will go…for each scenario, yes?
Will, I think I'm getting your math finally. That makes sense. It took me a while to realize the thickness of the bushing will differ (inner vs. outer dimensions).
So, where to buy all these suckers…and anyone want to comment on shocks? I've been riding around town a bit with no shocks now and the ride is much nicer. A bit bouncy but nothing dangerous. I think lubricating the springs also has helped. But I must do something about shocks sooner or later. What shocks to install to get the same ride I have now without the bounce?
Yep, By inner I meant the size of the bolt hole and outer is the diameter of the entire bushing that fits inside the spring. OD-outer or overall diameter, ID-inner diaameter. As usual Dave @lcwizard is right on with the first hand knowledge of the details on rancho springs and the corresponding bushings they used-thanks Dave, I think I read that info in one of your earlier posts in another tread but didn't remember all the correct details.
To solve your problem- First measure the front shackle bolt diameter- it's most likely 5/8". You will need stock outer diameter bushings with that (5/8") inner diameter hole for the front shackles (8 total). Then for the rear rancho springs you need the 1 3/8 outer diameter bushing that lcwizard mentioned with a stock size hole (15mm) (8 total). Then you need 8 stock bushings for the remaining spots- the fixed ends of the front springs, the upper shackles of rear springs. If you choose to order from $OR use their page about bushings, it will show all the relavent specs... Or contact one of the vendors here on mud- they will put together what you need.
HTH,
Will
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I just measured the front shackle bolts at the threaded area sticking out of the shackle. It was a toss up between 1/2" and 9/16". I could not fit a 1/2" open end wrench over this area. The 9/16" did fit over it snugly.
Thus I can conclude the pin on the aftermarket front shackles is 9/16" and look for a bushing with 9/16" as an ID? And the OD for these shackles will be stock size because they are the stock springs…what is the stock OD?
And stock size bushings for the fixed hangers on the front (are these the same size as the bushings for the stock shackles?).
For the rear, I think you guys explained that well. Stock inner ID all around because stock shackles and fixed hanger. 1 3/8 OD all around because Rancho springs.
What should I be thinking for the flange measurement? I see there are multiple choices for that, too.
Do I need to grease them? I would have put grease on everything but then I read some conflicting info on that, including not to grease at all as grease will break down the material. Someone somewhere even said put wax on them. I'll probably get the SOR "graphite" impregnated bushings since their chart makes for the simplest ordering, it seems.
Thus I can conclude the pin on the aftermarket front shackles is 9/16" and look for a bushing with 9/16" as an ID? And the OD for these shackles will be stock size because they are the stock springs…what is the stock OD?
And stock size bushings for the fixed hangers on the front (are these the same size as the bushings for the stock shackles?).
For the rear, I think you guys explained that well. Stock inner ID all around because stock shackles and fixed hanger. 1 3/8 OD all around because Rancho springs.
What should I be thinking for the flange measurement? I see there are multiple choices for that, too.
Do I need to grease them? I would have put grease on everything but then I read some conflicting info on that, including not to grease at all as grease will break down the material. Someone somewhere even said put wax on them. I'll probably get the SOR "graphite" impregnated bushings since their chart makes for the simplest ordering, it seems.
